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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Improving,[b] right, but, as has been said[/b], turning SH into a Deal, or even a Hardy, is a 10-20 year project without Brent, Maury and SWS when it could have been a 3-5 year project. Many of us on the Hill are fed up with losing dear friends to the burbs because Hill schools aren't attractive to most in-boundary families after elementary. Many of us feel that DCPS made a terrible mistake four years ago in refusing to respond to high local demand for a change in the Ward 6 middle school elementary-to-middle school feed situation. I'm in-bounds for SH and won't enroll my child in a couple years on current trends, like most of our friends. Our children are well-behaved students who easily score 5s on both PARCC sections. Arguably, SH won't be better off without us. [/quote] Christ, it's been said by YOU about 1000 times on any SH related post. Give it a rest. We got it -- you're going elsewhere. From your condescending tone alone I can promise you that you would not be missed at SH.[/quote] NP here and this is a real problem. You have tons of high SES parents IB for Hill schools opting out of DCPS because the middle school situation is a mess on the Hill. Some of those families are moving but many more are going to charters. DCPS could easily fix this by adjusting the feeder patterns and it’s so stupid that they refuse to do it. [/quote] Yes, it is. I'm going elsewhere, too, and haven't posted on other SH threads. Hundreds like us will in fact be missed at SH by any stakeholder with a thinking brain who cares about educating poor kids (um, all things being equal, poor kids don't do better without lots of higher SES classmates in their schools than they do with lots of high SES classmates in their schools). I see even greater stupidity in how some IB Cluster parents [b]defend the mess tooth and nail[/b]. Over the years, they've become their own worst enemies where Hill middle schools go.[/quote] The fact that YOU don't have feeder rights to SH doesn't a "mess"make. Brent isn't the only IB school with high SES, you obnoxious self centered "me-monster". And as the numbers actually show, LT and other SH feeders are improving (and in some cases outpacing Brent). While the number of OOB lottery spots matching in the lottery is falling to near zero. So the fact that you want to believe nothing is changing doesn't mean nothing is changing. As others have said, and contrary to your belief, you will in fact not be missed. [/quote] New to this thread. [b] Brent's scores drop (by Brent standards - which are higher than DCPS's and LT's) in 5th because so many families leave for Latin or Basis. [/b] Which is really what all of this is about. Honestly, even if they could get into SH, Basis and Latin are better anyway. And THAT is what Hill families wanted. DCPS didn't deliver on rigor and quality so charters stepped in and filled a need. Now they offer something better than what DCPS has to offer. Ultimately, it's DCPS's and the Cluster's loss.[/quote] Where to begin. [list]What on earth does it mean to say that Brent's standards are higher than LT's or DCPS? The numbers aren't adjusted for Brent families; you get that right? They are the same for all schools, and LT's scores are higher, and not just in 4th (see below). Why do you assume non-Brent families don't want exceptional outcomes? Is your premise that the poors and dark people accept less good outcomes because they neither know better nor want to improve those outcomes? And how do you think things improve? The only thing better than self centered a-holes with superiority complexes is when they expose their ignorance while espousing those world views.[/list] [list]Brent's scores aren't higher than LT's in 5th[b] or in 4th.[/b] I know that Brent parents like to use the "kids leaving in 5th" excuse, but the data doesn't lie. Repeating a falsehood with conviction doesn't make it any truer. I even pasted the scores in a prior post. Take a look; the LT kids outperform your kids.[/list] [list]Why do you think that Latin and Basis are by-right schools for Brent? And why do you think that Latin is mostly Brent; it isn't. That data is public too.[/list] [list]Follow along, my dear. This isn't a DCPS vs Charter discussion. If I thought you had the capacity I'd accuse you of trolling. But I'm betting you sincerely think your comment contributes to the discussion here. It is not as "charters stepped in to solve the problem". Setting aside the gross oversimplification, it does nothing to advance how we get from where we are to improved outcomes. If you think things are set in stone and nothing can and will change then, with all do respect, go somewhere else and let the adults talk. I vehemently disagree with many of the Brent posters. And I object to the veiled racism of some. But it feels to me at least like even those families truly desire to improve outcomes. I just happen to disagree with how they think that is accomplished. You, on the other hand, are a child who screams "charters" and thinks education on the Hill is a static concept. [/list] There is no magic bullet that takes a school from poor to great overnight. I know Brent parents think the inclusion of your kids will accomplish that, but it won't. The path is improved educational outcomes for kids that are there, which in turn yields buy-in from younger kids and IB families, which in turn feeds MS. LT/JO/Peabody families used lottery into Maury because it was an objectively better school. Those families wanted to invest in their IB schools, but there was another Hill school with objectively better educational outcomes. As that school became more IB, those families were willing to give their IB a try. And as educational outcomes improve those families commit. The challenge in talking to people like you is that you seem to ignore data unless it confirms your belief. Just look at your post! You incorrectly state that Brent is better in 4th and only outperformed in 5th. That just isn't so. No one is arguing that SH is superior to Deal or Latin right now. The issue is whether the trajectory of the feeders and SH itself portent positive things. Many of us think it does. And that is in the absence of you and your Brent friends, not all of whom are going to Latin or Basis (which, by the way, works 100% through their WL and is not a viable curriculum for many kids.) [/quote] thank you for this post. If you compare 5th grades scores between charters and Hill DCPS you'll find the Hill schools compare favorably to Latin and BASIS, despite 5th grade attrition from DCPS to PCS. Too much of this focus compares DCPS MS (6-8) to PCS MS (in this case 5-8), but the evidence doesn't support better outcomes for charters in 5th. Obviously the Hill 5th grade DCPS schools are retaining performing students. The standard line is 'charters need to make up ground for DCPS deficiencies in ES' yet the Hill DCPS students who stay in DCPS do at least as well if not better in 5th. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what will happen to the MS achievement levels in Hill DCPS if these students stay in the system. Latin and BASIS are assumed to be far more rigorous compared to DCPS (granted more homework), but the evidence doesn't support the assumption that either is providing better educational outcomes. Sure math is a little higher at PCS, but look at LT and SWS on ELA. If you really want to get in the weeds, you'll also find a negligible difference between advanced scorers across sectors too. 5th Grade ELA Brent ES 59% Ludlow Taylor ES 69% Maury ES 54% School-Within-School @ Goding 71% Watkins ES 43% Basis DC PCS 55% Washington Latin PCS 54% 5th Grade Math Brent ES 41% Ludlow Taylor ES 46% Maury ES 42% School-Within-School @ Goding 46% Watkins ES 37% BASIS DC PCS 51% Washington Latin PCS Middle School 51% [/quote]
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