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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Harvard has 6.56% Black students
Yale has 6.53% Black students
Princeton has 10% Black students (undergrad)

Can someone please explain to me how this is unacceptable to folks? Would y'all prefer those percentages be 0%??

https://datausa.io/profile/university/harvard-university#:~:text=The%20enrolled%20student%20population%20at%20Harvard%20University%20is%2039.7%25%20White,Hawaiian%20or%20Other%20Pacific%20Islanders.
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https://inclusive.princeton.edu/about/demographics[/quote]

Why don't you study and work hard if you want to get into elite colleges?  You think some people should have guaranteed seats?Isn't it common sense?
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Many people study and work hard and get into elite schools.

Then other people get mad, take their SAT score and create lawsuits to say those people did not belong in an elite college based solely on their SAT score.

Why do these people assume they should get the seat instead?[/quote]

Wrong again. 
Nothing was ever based solely on SAT score.

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Frankly, nothing should be based on SAT scores. It's a billion dollar industry racket.

And it's basically guaranteed this won't be the case due to test-optional.

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DP.. here's the thing.  Grading is not an accurate picture of achievement, either, since grades can be inflated.

So, what academic metric should be used for admissions to an academic institution? [/quote]

You keep referring to “academic institution[s]” as though that is all they are. They are more than simply academic institutions. College isn’t only about academics in the US, it is about much more than that.

I think this is why some posters have trouble with the concept of college admissions here: they mistakenly believe that it is supposed to be about academics and only academics. 
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I think you did not read the "DP" part.

In any case, colleges may be more than just about academics, but its primary purpose is academics and education. Otherwise it wouldn't be categorized as such with the IRS -- " educational institution ".

It also wouldn't hand out grades if it wasn't about academics.[/quote]

There’s a lot that goes into educating young people that is outside classroom academics. Undergrad colleges here are as much about the outside the classroom aspects as they are about inside the classroom.  
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You can see it however you want it, but according to the IRS, colleges are academic institutions, and education is their primary goal.  What you are referring to is just fluff.  I'm not spending thousands of dollars for my kid to just have fun outside the classroom.  The primary reason for going to college is to further their education, not "experience outside the classroom" fluff which is secondary.[/quote]

It seems like you need to find a college for your kid that aligns with those views. Good luck [/quote]
Seems like you have no argument against what I stated, that these institutions are primarily about education and academia, and therefore, it makes sense to use some academic metric when looking at admissions. Otherwise, why would they still want to see the GPA?  Why not just go with an essay,  and extra curricular, all non academic activities of colleges here are "much about the outside the classroom aspects "?

BTW, are you assuming I am not an American, educated in the US?[/quote]

They aren't primarily about academia. If you look at what they say, it's usually some version of creating/moulding better leaders/citizens [/quote]

Why are you making up total bullcrap LOL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University

"University (from Latin universitas 'a whole') is an institution of higher (or tertiary) education and research which awards [b]academic degrees in several academic disciplines[/b]."[/quote]

Harvards mission statement: The mission of Harvard College is to educate the citizens and citizen-leaders for our society.

Unc’s mission statement: We embrace an unwavering commitment to excellence as one of the world's great research universities. Our mission is to serve as a center for research, scholarship, and creativity and to teach a diverse community of undergraduate, graduate, and professional students to become the next generation of leaders.

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Sorry it's not the marketting slogans that determine what they are.  
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Say you have never worked in business without saying you have never worked...[/quote]

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