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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]His own letter showed a lot more personal responsibility than Emily Doe's letter did. He's now a convicted criminal on the sex offender registry, she's officially the wounded victim who is waiting for him to pay her back some day. Brock's life has turned into a living nightmare. He never wants to drink again. Ever. He has lost everything over this. Things went from being fun to ruined in a night. Quite literally. He made a horrible, terrible mistake that has taken away everything that he has worked for. He is remorseful for it. If he could take back everything that he did that night. If he could unmeet Emily Doe - he would do it.

His parents and friends are still reeling from what has happened to this promising young man. How can someone so smart and funny and carefree and capable do something so stupid and hurtful? Not just to Emily Doe but to himself. Why did this happen? Why?

The more I read about this case the more I understand the relatively light sentencing suggestion from the PO. [/quote]

Really?  If he'd been sitting on her unconscious body slapping her face back and forth, would you still consider it just a horrible mistake made by a promising young man?

What if he'd stuck foreign objects in her mouth instead of her vagina?

Or how about if he'd taken a passed out girl and simply left her behind behind a dumpster and walked home with no one the wiser if he'd done anything to her or not?  Would you still consider him a fine person because of everything he's accomplished?

And if he got away with these types of actions, what do you think the chances are that he would try them again with another woman?  Maybe drop something in a drink since the passed out thing worked so well before?  Any chance of that at all, or would it just not matter because he's so smart and capable and funny?  How about if those qualities find him a wife some day - would that be enough to dismiss the thought of him humping an unconscious woman?  What if, because he kept getting away with it, he was still doing it after he'd found a wife?  Should we blame the women he encounters and assaults for what - just bringing out his naughty side and potentially ruining his life if they decide they didn't like it?[/quote]

And what if he was the one who was blacked out drunk and she was only just very drunk. Maybe she was  the one sitting on him and shoving her fingers and tongue into his mouth...or bought him drinks....and he drank them willingly but he passed out and she continued to grope him trying to wake him back up.....would it be her fault then?  Would he be blameless because he didn't remember?  Whoever passes out first wins?

[b]What is your point?  Why not stick with what actually DID happen.  Neither one of these people behaved admirably that night. [/b] They  were both drunk off their arses and behaving in ways that they would never behave while sober.  And they have both hurt themselves and each other in the process.  [/quote]

So if you want to stick with actually DID happen, and believe they "both hurt themselves", you probably believe that they have both been punished.  Am I right?

I'll bet Emily Doe will never again do anything to be in the position she was in that night.  Nothing about her life will ever be the same again.

The problem you seem to be having is that her assailant will also never be the same again.  That if Emily Doe had just felt sufficient shame, then Brock Turner could move on to meet his great potential.

So the point I'm trying to make is this:  he didn't just behave badly, [b]he behaved criminally.[/b]  There's a reason that it's against the law to violate an unconscious person - even if some sick people out there want to convince themselves and others that she wanted to be violated and maybe even enjoyed it.  There's a reason that the justice system weighs the facts carefully before deciding that[b] he acted criminally.[/b]

He did the thing, he got caught, and his life should also never be the same.  That's the point.

And the bonus point is that we'd probably not be discussing what he did if it weren't for the heroism of the witnesses and the victim and the appalling lack of conscience displayed by the assailant, his father, and most especially the judge.  He could have slunk away with a big sigh of relief and his own immorality in tact.

That would just in your world?[/quote]

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