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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.[/quote]

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.[/quote]

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable?  It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game. [/quote]

I think that is part of PP's point. Princeton isn't quite "winning the game" in the same way as Harvard and Stanford. The name doesn't have the same universal recognition and prestige as those two and Yale either. [/quote]

Agree[/quote]

?? For anyone interested in STEM, Princeton >> Yale. Honestly I believe HPSM are in a class of their own for undergrad, with Yale, Caltech, Duke, Penn right behind[/quote]

What STEM areas in Princeton so strong in? If Yale doesn't belong in that group, Princeton doesn't either. You could just list HSM and I'd understand that more. [/quote]

If lower Ivy boosters keep trying to pick away at HYPSM, maybe we’ll believe that Cornell and Columbia are just as good. Keep plugging away![/quote]

Cornell and Columbia ARE better than Harvard and Yale in STEM.

I have no bone in this fight. But Yale in particular should not be regarded as a top 10 school.[/quote]

LOL let's not get ahead of ourselves. Harvard is better than every ivy aside from Princeton in STEM. Its weakest facet is the "T" in STEM, and that's mostly because they let that work get done by MIT a 10 minute trip across the river. Harvard is top or close to top in the world at math and science.[/quote]

Sorry to interrupt this c!r€le jerk, in which each of you is apparently staring longingly at a selfie to keep up the passion, but what river do you cross to get from Harvard to MIT?[/quote]

Charles river[/quote]

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