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Yale has 6.53% Black students
Princeton has 10% Black students (undergrad)

Can someone please explain to me how this is unacceptable to folks? Would y'all prefer those percentages be 0%??

https://datausa.io/profile/university/harvard-university#:~:text=The%20enrolled%20student%20population%20at%20Harvard%20University%20is%2039.7%25%20White,Hawaiian%20or%20Other%20Pacific%20Islanders.
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https://inclusive.princeton.edu/about/demographics[/quote]

Why don't you study and work hard if you want to get into elite colleges?  You think some people should have guaranteed seats?Isn't it common sense?
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Many people study and work hard and get into elite schools.

Then other people get mad, take their SAT score and create lawsuits to say those people did not belong in an elite college based solely on their SAT score.

Why do these people assume they should get the seat instead?[/quote]

Wrong again. 
Nothing was ever based solely on SAT score.

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Frankly, nothing should be based on SAT scores. It's a billion dollar industry racket.

And it's basically guaranteed this won't be the case due to test-optional.

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DP.. here's the thing.  Grading is not an accurate picture of achievement, either, since grades can be inflated.

So, what academic metric should be used for admissions to an academic institution? [/quote]

You keep referring to “academic institution[s]” as though that is all they are. They are more than simply academic institutions. College isn’t only about academics in the US, it is about much more than that.

I think this is why some posters have trouble with the concept of college admissions here: they mistakenly believe that it is supposed to be about academics and only academics. 
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I think you did not read the "DP" part.

In any case, colleges may be more than just about academics, but its primary purpose is academics and education. Otherwise it wouldn't be categorized as such with the IRS -- " educational institution ".

It also wouldn't hand out grades if it wasn't about academics.[/quote]

There’s a lot that goes into educating young people that is outside classroom academics. Undergrad colleges here are as much about the outside the classroom aspects as they are about inside the classroom.  
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You can see it however you want it, but according to the IRS, colleges are academic institutions, and education is their primary goal.  What you are referring to is just fluff.  I'm not spending thousands of dollars for my kid to just have fun outside the classroom.  The primary reason for going to college is to further their education, not "experience outside the classroom" fluff which is secondary.[/quote]

Thankfully, you shouldn't worry about an expensive selective school if student learning is your sole goal. A community college teacher likely cares a lot more about your student's learning than a top prof who is there to research and has little choice but to teach.[/quote]
so elite colleges goal isn't about teaching and educating?  The IRS needs to revoke their status then.

If a top prof is about research and not teaching, then why does anyone who cares about their kids higher education want their kid to go to such a school?  Are you saying people who want affirmative action in education don't care about the student's education, and only about the experience outside the class?[/quote]

Newsflash, education also happens outside the classroom!  If you don't already know this, then thoughts and prayers.[/quote]
then why do academic institutions care about the student's GPA?

What is college teaching kids outside the classroom, other than being an adult, living on your own, that they can't get experience from elsewhere?  What unique "education" are colleges teaching outside the classroom?[/quote]

The college isn't 'teaching' anything. They lay the groundwork by providing a diverse community, and it happens organically. You can get the in-the-classroom learning elsewhere, too, but there's significant advantage to having learned things both in and out of the classroom before going into the workplace. Employers don't want people coming in fresh from college who don't have any clue how to interact with different kinds of people and situations.[/quote]

Diversity is a good thing for colleges but not a must thing to violate the Constitution of the US.  Academia is a must thing. [/quote]

Selecting for diversity does not violate the Constitution. Excluding in order to NOT be diverse is. If AA is disallowed in college admissions, colleges will continue to seek out people from all backgrounds (sans quotas), someone will probably sue because they think they're missing out, and they'll lose.[/quote]

You and I are not Supreme Court judges, so we'll see about that.

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Too bad we don’t have a legit SCOTUS who will rule on this. [/quote]

If they judge in favor of your liking = legit
If they judge against your liking = bad

And then these same people also make fun of Trump. 
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So what were the judges during separate but equal? legit?[/quote]

So what were the judges during discrimnation against Asians? legit?

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