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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is not about discipline. The child was in mental health crisis.

He should have been sent to a hospital as would have happened if it was a life threatening physical illness.

You don’t leave the welfare of a kid who is talking the way he was in the hands of the questionable adults who raised him to be that way![/quote]

Schools can’t override parents when it comes to institutionalization and seeking treatment for a student. The school is a government agency, but it doesn’t have the force of policing or forcing health care decisions onto families.

What don’t people get about that? And do you really want school administrators to have that kind of power over your families? Schools really can’t act when there’s uncooperative parents and no signs of physical/sexual abuse. [/quote]

I don't think of it as control "over my family."

I think of it as responsible adults stepping in to protect a child with very limited power.

Parents do not own their children.

This is from the PA dept of education's Model Suicide Prevention Policy:

<<Procedures for Parental Involvement

Parents or guardians of a student identified as being at risk of suicide must be immediately notified by the school and must be involved in consequent actions and provided with crisis and community resources.  If any mandated reporter suspects that a student’s risk status is the result of abuse or neglect, that individual must comply with the reporting requirements of the Child Protective Services Law.

If the parents or guardians refuse to cooperate and there is any doubt regarding the child’s safety, the school personnel who directly witnessed the expressed suicide thought or intention will pursue a 302 involuntary behavioral health assessment by calling County Emergency Services at [provide number] and ask for a delegate. >>[/quote]

The bar for actually sending someone to a hospital after county emergency service assessment is so high. My husband threatened suicide, had the means to do so and was missing for a time. When I called the police, they did the right thing and brought in the county mental health group. They asked him a few questions, spoke to him for less than 5 minutes and left. He was not in imminent danger according to them. I don’t know how much more proof someone is suicidal than a text outlining that he is going to do it. 
If you haven’t been through this scenario, please don’t assume that the county or any mental health group is going to swoop in and save the day. They just don’t. [/quote]

So many people dn't understand in how many ways the school's hands are tied, especially with parents like these. [/quote]

Numerous legal experts on student rights have come out and stated this school absolutely had the right, given the known information, to search this student’s bag and locker. They also had the right to keep the student detained, even if the parents wouldn’t take him home. And the Sheriff said they literally arrested a kid a couple days later just for threatening to copycat and they wished that school had called them in as soon as they called the parents. The school is so screwed here. And they should be.[/quote]

Maybe.  But the parents should be "more screwed" (sic). The parents f=dropped the parenting ball in each and every way possible.  Besides that, they are cowards who ran like scared monkeys. [/quote]

BOTH the parents AND the school need to be screwed.

And I'm disgusted that the parents were given bail at all after the stunt they pulled. The gun nuts of the world can pull together $100K online in days for the poor, martyred patriots.  :roll: [/quote]
They were given $500,000 each bond, not bail. The "gun nuts of the world" would have to put up that full amount. Sorry you're so disgusted but they're still sitting in jail. [/quote]

Yeah, pop a Xanax and chill. The first report I saw was a local one that day and they incorrectly reported that it would only take 10% of the bond for cash bail (pretty standard). The national media reported later that the judge specifically ordered them held with 'no 10%." Good for her. She did the right thing. [b]I saw the arraignment Zoom video and enjoyed how stunned Mommy Dearest looked at the idea she wasn't getting out.[/b][/quote]

Yup.  She cried because she was caught.  So much for "don't get caught!"  Jennifer should have followed her own words. LOL.[/quote]

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