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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The county government is talking out of two side of their mouth with contradictory policies. Raising the cost of housing by passing building performance standards for the “environment”. The MOCO turns around and promotes environmentally damaging sprawl with a proposal to increase the allowable density throughout the county by 4x+ [b]in areas with minimal or no access to public transportation[/b]. So do they really care about affordability or the environment?? They are  just making up reasons to justify trendy policy goals that are in vogue with YIMBYs and Urbanists, without concern for the impact on court residents. This comprehensive zoning reform is just a box to check on their resume before the take a highly paid job with a developer or political advocacy organization. [/quote]

Are you one of the "buses don't count"/"people don't take buses" posters? Buses are public transportation.[/quote]

Of course it’s public transportation, it’s just not mass transit as being sold here locally or allow for zoning changes.  It’s mass transit in the way that I could paint my car yellow and call it a school bus.[/quote]

I think you'll find that Team Buses Aren't Mass Transit is not a winning team.[/quote]

It’s doesn’t matter if they are mass transit or not if most residents don’t actually use it. This is a fallacious argument. The ridership rate for buses is well under 10% of passenger miles traveled. You are using a hypothetical that is not consistent with actual behavior to justify upzoning the entire county. Yes, there are a few people that use the buses, but vast majority of these new residents will not be riding the bus to work and biking to get their groceries. This argument that bus ridership will be high enough to offset traffic from quadplex/triplex units is a magical belief that has no basis in reality. [/quote]

What's the fallacious argument, exactly?

Fact: Buses are mass transit.
Fact: Buses are public transportation.

My advice: next time, specify that you're talking about Metrorail.[/quote]

The false argument you are making is that people will ride the bus at a level that mitigates traffic issues for upzoning to 4x+ population density. I didn’t say it’s not mass transit, but if most people don’t actually use the bus 90% plus aren’t using it, then it’s doesn’t matter if it “mass transit” or not. It’s completely illogical to claim that buses will prevent traffic when the vast majority of residents never use the this transportation option. [/quote]

I have no problem with upzoning within walking distance of metro rail stations. However, I don’t think it makes sense to upzone 4x anywhere that happens to be near a bus stop when there is no real world data to support that bus ridership will account for a plurality of commuter trips for these new residents. [/quote]

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