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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Harvard has 6.56% Black students Yale has 6.53% Black students Princeton has 10% Black students (undergrad) Can someone please explain to me how this is unacceptable to folks? Would y'all prefer those percentages be 0%?? https://datausa.io/profile/university/harvard-university#:~:text=The%20enrolled%20student%20population%20at%20Harvard%20University%20is%2039.7%25%20White,Hawaiian%20or%20Other%20Pacific%20Islanders. https://datausa.io/profile/university/yale-university https://inclusive.princeton.edu/about/demographics[/quote] I honestly don't care whether those student bodies are 30% black or 3% black, so long as the admissions factors are race-neutral. I don't want a college excluding [b][i]or including[/b][/i] anyone because of the color of their skin.[/quote] At lot of Asians come from countries where test scores are the determining factor for state college admission (in some countries private universities is a very new thing). It is all they know. Study hard, get good grades and test scores so you can hopefully get into a good state university. It is why some can't understand why the same process does not work, and will never work, in the U.S. Private institutions will always find a way to gerrymander the applicants to get the desired mix of students. Most people who say this mean they want a way to game admissions in their favor. The last thing they want is a fair process.[/quote] Nothing in elite private college admissions is "fair." They are the "sellers" here and will pick whomever they want to shape a class.[/quote][/quote] At lot of Asians come from countries where test scores are the determining factor for state college admission (in some countries private universities is a very new thing). It is all they know. Study hard, get good grades and test scores so you can hopefully get into a good state university. It is why some can't understand why the same process does not work, and will never work, in the U.S. Private institutions will always find a way to gerrymander the applicants to get the desired mix of students. Most people who say this mean they want a way to game admissions in their favor. The last thing they want is a fair process.[/quote] [/quote] This is interesting and very good to know. Are these admissions tests typically like the SATs — or assessments of specific course content? Or something completely different from what most of us in the US would be familiar with? Not that I understand how it works, but are the tests more like the British O and A level exams? [/quote] https://www.businessinsider.com/sample-questions-from-chinas-gaokao-one-of-worlds-toughest-tests-2018-6[/quote] South Korea's version https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46181240 It's not just that the test is hard, it's that the test is the application. GPA/recommendations/essays... arent a thing. You either do well enough on the test or you dont. [/quote] Thank you! [/quote] But that’s not why American schools value. They want students that excel in many areas (more well rounded). Like it or not, that’s what elite American schools see as they key to success. Culturally, other countries see other paths to success.[/quote] Yes so that's what Asiasn Americans are like. For the 100 millionth times, Assian Americans also excel in ECs and Leadership. Welcome to the thread. [/quote] The post doesn’t say Asian Americans are not like that. It just says the countries that test are different than the US. There was no comment about Asian American students (who are American so your point?)[/quote] Great if you know that. Just making sure. And we don't care about other country. [/quote]
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