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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Harvard has 6.56% Black students
Yale has 6.53% Black students
Princeton has 10% Black students (undergrad)

Can someone please explain to me how this is unacceptable to folks? Would y'all prefer those percentages be 0%??

https://datausa.io/profile/university/harvard-university#:~:text=The%20enrolled%20student%20population%20at%20Harvard%20University%20is%2039.7%25%20White,Hawaiian%20or%20Other%20Pacific%20Islanders.
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https://inclusive.princeton.edu/about/demographics[/quote]

Why don't you study and work hard if you want to get into elite colleges?  You think some people should have guaranteed seats?Isn't it common sense?
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Many people study and work hard and get into elite schools.

Then other people get mad, take their SAT score and create lawsuits to say those people did not belong in an elite college based solely on their SAT score.

Why do these people assume they should get the seat instead?[/quote]

Wrong again. 
Nothing was ever based solely on SAT score.

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Frankly, nothing should be based on SAT scores. It's a billion dollar industry racket.

And it's basically guaranteed this won't be the case due to test-optional.

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Any professor who has  ever taught even quasi-quantitative courses (which I have) will tell you that the math score on the SAT is the single best predictor of performance and ability in quantitative fields, unless you have something like a statewide or national award in a competitive technical field. You can poopoo the test and celebrate test optional and claim that URM candidates with lower scores are just as good for those fields. But all of those things are foolish.[/quote]

Professor here. How do you know your students’ SAT math scores?[/quote]

Exactly.

For some reason, a small subset of people are obsessed with SAT scores.

It's ONE data point due to performance for a fixed 3-hour interval ( soon to be 2 hours).

People don't talk about your SAT score in college. That's silly. [/quote]
is it silly for colleges to take AP exam scores? They are also a data point from a 2 hour interval.

Grades can be overinflated; kids can cheat and get good grades.

What other academic measure should colleges use?[/quote]

Studies show that grades with rigor over 4 years of high school is the best predictor of college readiness. Moreso than looking at SAT alone ( 3 hours). Some studies say that the SAT predicts the first year of college, but as you know, college is 4+ years. A student can improve over 4 years.

Kids just don't "flunk out" of elite colleges.

The detractors who are all of a sudden deeply concerned about "school academic quality" at colleges are acting as if they are the academic police or something. The school administrators and professors know what they are doing.

I haven't seen any studies or read of any evidence of widespread grade inflation, especially over a 4 year period. Now, people do cheat ( Varsity Blues scandal), but it's usually the rich people with mediocre academic kids who do that. Thousands of dollars on test prep / tutoring/ consulting/ essay coaching, etc. isn't too far behind.

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