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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]FWIW - Not trying to be a wise guy and did see the locked thread on this BUT heard from a credible medical professional in the infectious diseases space and she said she thought COVID 19 has been in the US since the late fall or early winter.  She felt there has been too much travel and it’s too contagious for it to have taken long.  Not sure what this means but she thinks it means that we need to wash our hands and stay smart but that we are already “in it” and need to carry on.  [/quote]

I actually believe this to be true. Remember all the 'we have an early flu season' and 'the vaccine is not well-matched', then 1/2 way into the season (I think when flu actually started in, in earnest) it WAS well-matched. Then there were comments about lots of 'false positives' on flu tests.[/quote]

Patient 0 had it in Wuhan in November. So your timeline is wrong.[/quote]

The “early flu season” in December was influenza B. I tested hundreds of patients positive for it. The “second wave” this past month or so is influenza A. Again - I have tested hundreds of patients positive for it. Neither “wave” was COVID-19.  Unfortunately. [/quote]

Oh- to add- I do remember a bunch of patients with flu like illness (fever, fatigue, cough) who were all testing negative for flu around October, and that seemed to last 3-4 weeks in my clinic (the wave of patients presenting, not the illness itself). But this was before even one person in China had it, so very unlikely.[/quote]

That you know of. China lies[/quote]

Scientist here. China did not lie on this. The person above who tested patients for flu is right.

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China lies all the time, on damn near everything so long as it is in their interest. Don't trust anything out of a Beijing spokesman's mouth. They are now even trying to make it look like it was created in the USA and imported to China.

However, the virus itself isn't lying, and the virus DNA mutation tracks to a mid-November common ancestor.

https://bedford.io/blog/ncov-cryptic-transmission/

"All these genomes from Wuhan have a common ancestor in late Nov or early Dec, suggesting that this virus has emerged recently in the human population."

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/coronaviruss-genetics-reveal-its-global-travels-67183

"The first takeaway is that all these sequences are very, very similar, about eight mutations different than the root. That’s eight mutations in a 30,000-base sequence. What this tells us is that the virus came from one source, not too long ago, somewhere between mid-November and early December."

https://www.illumina.com/company/news-center/feature-articles/illumina-perspective-on-the-novel-coronavirus--covid-19--outbrea.html

"Analysis of the genomic information currently available, indicates SARS-CoV-2 is most closely related to a known bat SARS-like Coronavirus, indicating bats as the likely origin.3,4 Low variability between SARS-CoV-2 genomic sequences available, points toward a recent emergence in the human population in November-December 2019 and rapid detection after initial human infection."

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