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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm amazed by the number and fervor of anonymous rape apologists. Really eye opening, in the most unfortunate way.

Best commentary I've read on the subject "She knew what she was doing by having a vagina on a Friday night."[/quote]

Do you know what happens when you put a red drop of paint on a cute baby chick?  The other chicks see it and peck, peck, peck, attack it until it's dead.

Brock of course is not a baby chick but he isn't exactly Ted Bundy either.  It seems so obvious that he got drunk, this young woman got drunk, one thing led to another and he touched her body inappropriately while she was passed out.  Yeah, that was pretty awful of him.  But he's been convicted and he'll serve his time.

What I don't get is the peck, peck, pecking on this guy - is he really that horrible of a monster?  And I don't understand why this victim is being portrayed as a modern day hero.  [b]She played a role in victimizing and hurting herself.[/b]

I don't get it.

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And I don't get THIS!  I knew plenty of guys who got blind drink in college.  And I would bet my right arm none of them worried that me or one of my female friends would rape them.  See how that works?  Male privilege means mean don't even have to think about it.  Women do, all the time.  Survivor here.  [/quote]

They were both blind drunk.  In her letter, Emily Doe puts 100% of the blame on Brock Turner - he kissed her on the dance floor, he led her behind the dumpsters, he took off her clothes, he groped her...

How does she know any of this?  How does she know that she didn't kiss him or remove her own clothes or walk to the back of those dumpsters or grope him?  For someone who has no memory - none - of that night she sure sounds pretty darned positive that all of this was his doing.  If she could blame him for getting her drunk she would probably do that too.

She feels that she has zero accountability for being in that situation.  VP Biden chastises other younger, less experienced kids for not watching out for this woman at a college party.  A party that she really had no business being at in the first place.  She was not a college kid anymore.  But she's off the hook for getting sh*t faced, passed out drunk behind dumpsters at a college party because she doesn't remember it happening.  That's all you have to do - not remember - and even if you were out of control drinking and even if you were making out with a drunk underage guy, even if you were kissing him back it becomes HIS fault.  Especially if you're a girl.  Because you don't remember.

Brock Turner had no right to sexually assault this woman.  But to hear Emily Doe tell it - he pretty much attacked her and took her behind the dumpsters and assaulted her.  She was an unwilling victim throughout it all - the wounded antelope.  She has to believe that this was all done TO her - she was a victim from beginning to end.  Would it make a difference to her if she saw a video of her dancing with him that night and kissing him back?  Probably not.  Maybe one day he can pay her back her back for that ambulance ride and all the therapy she needs....

If she had driven drunk that night she would have been accountable.  If she had murdered someone she would have been accountable.  If she had vandalized property or stabbed someone or snatched a purse she would have been accountable.  Even if she didn't remember dong it. [b] Instead she hurt herself by getting black out, passed out drunk and going behind dumpsters with a guy that she didn't know. [/b] It's all his fault even if she did actively participate in making out with him before she passed out because she doesn't remember.  This guy had no business touching her body when she was passed out.  Consensual sex becomes non-consensual the minute a person passes out - that is cut and dry, indisputable fact.

But to say that men are more responsible for their actions than women are when it comes to hooking up and having sex because of biology (he penetrated her).  To equate passing out while making out to being jumped/attacked/raped by a rapist.....that isn't right.

How many times does this need to be said?  SHE did not hurt herself.  HE hurt her.  Proven and undeniable.  Agreed, women make choices that put themselves in harmful situations.  But who causes the harm??  Think about it.

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