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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why is there perfect physics down to the stone and then subatomic particles? Why are their physical universes that follow patterns? Why are there tiny cells with amazing functions? Believing all this happened at random takes faith.  Believing all this is knitted together by God takes faith.  At least the later has the Bible as evidence and the places and events of the Bible are traced. [/quote]

It does not take any faith whatsoever.

All of the physics things are explained by the big bang.  If evidence is found of a better explanation, we'll switch to that one.

All of those biological things are explained by evolution, with the exception of abiogenesis, and there is mountains of evidence explaining how that might have happened.

Asking how it "happened" implies there was a before it happened.  There is no evidence of that, and no reason to think there was.  It's quite likely time began with the big bang so there was nothing for it to come from.

None of this is simple, but it is all easy to believe once you understand.

You know what is hard to believe?  A magic man in the sky who existed forever outside of time but then decided to create time and everything in it on a nearly infinite scale but place his personal fishtank on the third stone from a sun in the corner of one of billions of galaxies.  And he stays hidden except for a short while to a bunch of illiterate shepherds 2 millennia before mass media.  And he allowed thousands of similar stories of gods to exist but those are all false and just his is true.

That is the definition of preposterous.[/quote]

Oh, nonsense. We have good Physics explanations from a very very short time after the big bang until now. We have no widely accepted Physics explanation for the big bang itself or its creation. [/quote]

Let me repeat since you fail to understand.  There is no evidence that the big bang was “created”, or hasn’t always existed, or that there was anything before it.  There is no evidence there was time before it.

That is the “nonsense”, and it is your nonsense.[/quote]

Nah. Pretty clear from the words above you don't actually understand Physics. Maybe buy a Physics textbook - I recommend Feynman's Lectures - and work through it all. [/quote]

I have read a couple of Feynman’s excellent books, although I do not pretend to be expert.  I understand at least as well as you, because if you had any real argument, you would have had a much more substantive response than “go read a book”.  Weak.

Speaking of Feynman, here are some quotes from him:

On God and Mystery: "God was invented to explain mystery. God is always invented to explain those things that you do not understand."
On Doubt and Science: "Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt."
On Faith vs. Knowledge: "I don't feel frightened by not knowing things, by being lost in the mysterious universe without any purpose - which is the way it really is, as far as I can tell."

Now here’s the Feynman fact I want to you read very carefully:

He often compared asking what was "before" the Big Bang to asking what is "north of the North Pole". If time itself is a property of the universe that began expanding at that point, the word "before" might be logically meaningless in that context.[/quote]

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