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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I wish they would be way more transparent about admissions and performance of the IB program. Maybe it's great! But there are numbers that exist that could be easily used to show this, if it's actually the case.[/quote]

Well, clearly it's not great if 1% of the kids are passing the math CAPE. But yes, more information would be lovely.[/quote]

If the 1% is the IB program students, then that’s fine. Your kid will be in the group of kids that are actually learning.[/quote]

Not all the time. They will still take electives and participate in clubs and other ECs with the 99% of kids who are below grade level. Really think about what that means, to be in a school environment where the vast majority of students are struggling to meet minimum academic standards. Think how small and limited this will make your child's experience, how limiting it will be in terms of friendships, what it will look like for your kid post HS when so few peers pursue college, when many don't even graduate.

Some families don't have much choice of whether to send their kids to a school like that. But in DC people have a choice. And most parents who really value education will continue to not choose Eastern simply because they want more and better for their kids.[/quote]

I mean … my kid is at a feeder MS for Eastern and I am aware of all of the considerations for his academic needs. But you sound really gross when you write off the less affluent and yes, Black kids, as being basically worthless. I can tell you that my kid is friends with kids of all types and some of those kids you see and worthless have been bright stars for his life. And he has learned to work with and understand all different types of people. I know you’ll claim I am a bad SJW parent but moving him to an all-white affluent school woule be a huge loss in many respects. [/quote]

NP.  You need to get help.  No one is saying black kids are worthless. No one.  All middle schools in the city are diverse and have black kids, some more than other.

Some kids don’t have options and have to take what life gives them and that is the lower SES kids is what PP is saying.

But as a parent, most with options will not send them to such a poorly performing school just because there of more diversity.  They just are not.  It’s not like kids at other schools are not friends with minority kids and can get the same experience either.

Also PP above is absolutely correct.  The experience of your kid will be very different with friends who can’t relate to things, friends who can’t do things, etc…. [/quote]

The reason they won't send them though is because they don't want to interact with lower SES families and then the domino effect happens because almost all UMC families, who do have resources to help the school, leave.

Mann's PTO can literally fund teachers. Lots of Title 1 schools PTOs can maybe afford a couple pizza parties.

The education follows the money, not, as plenty here want to believe, the money follows the education. And you know that because your last sentence is literally we only want to be around other people with money.[/quote]

When you are talking to parents that have their kids at an Eastern feeder for MS, to remotely suggest they don't want their kids at a school with Black or lower SES kids is laughable. This attitude is what drives people out of DCPS entirely. It's like when my coworkers with kids in the Whitman pyramid lecture me for being concerned about the lack of tracking in DCPS MSes outside of math and (sometimes) ELA. GTFO.[/quote]

I actually said nothing about race. But the OP pretty blatantly said other kids "can't relate" so yes there's a clear SES issue at play at a lot of schools like Eastern. As higher SES kids leave, parents get gun shy about being the only ones left and that sets off a mad dash of higher performing kids.

I'm not saying Eastern is perfect, but there's absolutely SES prisoner's dilemma that happens at more diverse socioeconomic schools. There are whole threads on here about how terrible the J-R principal is and the drug problems at Hardy and MacArthur. And yet UMC families in other feeders are Hunger Games style lotterying for spots because since they're in predominantly wealthy areas there's the assumption that you'll always have a pipeline of UMC and wealthy kids and families and thus test scores won't drop and kids will have peer hobbies.

I'm not judging people who are weary of other DCPS HSs I'm simply stating that there is obviously an underlying SES impact at play here and causes issues for both families and the schools themselves.[/quote]

In your zeal to burnish your woketastic credentials you've gone and said the quiet part out loud and exposed yourself as a hypocrite. Low SES is not the same thing as low performing. And black is not the same thing as low performing. Ironically YOU and your brethren here on DCUM make that argument not the people you are slinging arrows at.

You know who else won't send their kids to Eastern? Parents of high achieving black kids and parents of high achieving lol SES kids. I guess they are racist and classist too?

I want my kid to be in a large cohort of kids with college and professional job expectations. Don't care how rich they are or what color they are. The only people in this discussion arguing we should be cognizant of race or SES over performance is you.  [/quote]

Oh stuff it. we all know the PPs and you as well are equating black with low SES with uninterested in academics.[/quote]

You are bringing your own implicit bias into this and confusing causation with correlation. Eastern's population is mostly uninterested in academics. It is also mostly back. I don't want my kid in an environment where almost all kids don't care about academics and are years behind grade level. Irrespective of race. The only person who can't separate those two things is you.[/quote]

ask yourself why you feel the need to come here and enlighten us of those beliefs? Nobody asked you. We also know that if this was a thread about SH, EH, Hardy, McKinley, Banneker, JT or Macarthur, you would spout the same toxicity. there’s a certain type of parent who cannot tolerate the fact that not everyone runs away like they did/feel like they must do. [/quote]

I'm not PP, but I don't think you should send your kid to Eastern. The 84% of families zoned for Eastern who send their kids elsewhere aren't wrong.

I wouldn't say that definitively about any of the other schools on your list.[/quote]

I can't speak for others, but the issue may be that the post was asking for input on Eastern. IMO that would be useful coming from people who are at the school, or who at the very least know people at the school or who have set foot in the school. If the point was just to read stats from a website or read articles, that can be done individually and could be part of a larger discussion about truancy, schools, safety, crime, funding, etc.  Lots of folks coming on to this thread who know nothing about the school except for what you can find in a google search, which does not really add much to the discussion[/quote]

The problem with this is that, as several PPs pointed out, there are not a ton of families at Eastern who are heavily invested in academics and education. They may like Eastern for the community, the great marching band, the location, and the history. But most families are not at Eastern for the academics, other than a tiny number who are buying into the IB program.

Well most people who are posting on DCUM about schools are heavily invested in academics. So the Venn diagram of Eastern families and families on DCUM is very nearly two separate circles, thus this is a very bad place to come asking for feedback on experiences at Eastern. [/quote]

you’re not right. The people who are likely to have information on academics at Eastern are also likely to be DCUM readers. there are many highly educated families on the Hill who gather information about all options. [/quote]

Two people have posted about "gathering information" on Eastern and then choosing other schools because Eastern was not a good academic fit for their kids. Not a single poster on the thread, in 8 pages, has posted about the experience of sending their kid to Eastern. Because, as I said, DCUM is unlikely to have many, if any, Eastern parents, and thus is a bad place to ask for feedback on experiences at Eastern.

This is not a knock on Eastern.[/quote]

Amen. Lots of defensive people arguing DCUM is a perfectly good place to get info on Eastern and no one actually sending their kids there. It's kind of amusing and offensive how many people think they are somehow defending Eastern by telling us that they "looked at it" but sent their kid somewhere else. The subtext is that a "good kid like mine was willing to look so bully for Eastern!"[/quote]

This. It's classic DCUM though. Criticize other parents for opting out of IB schools, but then when it's your turn, well it's just not a good fit but it's a great school!

If Eastern wants to boost the number of high SES and white IB kids attending (and that's an if because I honestly don't know) they presumably learn more from parents who are willing to be honest about why they are opting out of Eastern than they do from people who lie to themselves and others.[/quote]
Honestly parents are going to realize that schools are going to have to use zip code as a proxy for race in admissions after recent court decisions, and consequently going to Eastern is really going to help the marginal white and Asian kid out.

Something analogous to this happened in Texas but it took a while [/quote]

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