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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVmQarG44QE[/quote]

If she thinks it's fine for any public servant to walk out with hundreds upon hundreds of our country's most sensitive national security documents which are NOT Presidential records, which are documents that do not belong to him, but which belong to the government, and to conceal them, lie about them, to obstruct any investigation into them, to enlist others to lie about them - she is unfit to serve in government and is unfit to hold a military commission.[/quote]

Presidential records? That has nothing to do with it.
 :mrgreen:  :lol: 
U.S. Constitution - Article 2, Section 2.
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Article 2 Section 2 has nothing to do with it either.  NOWHERE in the Constitution does it confer any right for the President to take government assets

By your bizarre reading, Trump could have flown Air Force One to Florida and declared it to be his own personal property.  He is not entitled to it, just as he is not entitled to take official agency documents, particularly some of the most sensitive ones in US government.   The only things he was entitled to take were his own personal notes, his own personal correspondence and other personal items.  [/quote]

Wrong. As head of the executive branch, he had the authority to do exactly what he did.[/quote]

Actually he was a fired employee. You aren’t allowed to take company property when you leave. Period. [/quote]

I’ll just leave this right here as an example of the stupidity of leftists

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Actually, you were just hoisted by your own petard.

Is an employee who is no longer employed allowed to keep corporate property?

No.

Former President Trump left office. He was not entitled to keep the property of the US public.

He was entitled to keep his own property.

The items in question were not his property.

This isn't hard.

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Substitute Biden for Trump. Biden was never President. Was Biden entitled to keep that property? [/quote]

No but he freely gave it back when it was discovered.  The law says “willfully retains”.  Where Trump screwed up was fighting the return of material, which is proof of his intent.[/quote]

He kept it for years. That’s willfully retaining it. In addition, he out and out stole it as he had no legal right as a Senator to have those documents. [/quote]

Members of Congress have clearance to see classified/hear classified briefings by virtue of their office. Need to know principles apply and they can't just waltz into the FBI or CIA and demand to read everything, but saying he had "no legal right as a Senator" is simply incorrect. Additionally, there are levels of classification and even administrative matters may be classified. Not everything marked SECRET is a national defense secret. It is incredibly unlikely that Biden had any documents anywhere near the level of classification that Trump had in his possession for one simple reason: the intelligence agencies rarely give out paper copies to members of Congress. The White House operates separately with its own level of control (or seemingly lack thereof).[/quote]

They can’t take them home with them. So now we are admitting, yeah, Biden had them, but Trump is worse?[/quote]

Inadvertent retention isn't a crime. Which is the ENTIRE point.[/quote]

By a Senator? Yeah it is. [/quote]

I’m sure you can cite the statute the .[/quote]

Still waiting for that cite.[/quote]

Let’s start with a quote:

Blumenthal told us: “When we view documents, we have to leave them in the room where we see them without taking notes without making copies, without any kind of transcription. And I think that kind of practice prevailed when then Senator Biden looked at them as well."

A senator cannot take classified documents home? That’s fact. It’s law. He should never have had those documents. That’s he’s not being prosecuted is a gift. There is nothing in any statute or law that states anything about ‘inadvertent retention’ or ‘they gave them back right away’. That’s just a courtesy extended, one that was not extended to Trump. They were cooperating but the FBI raided anyway. It was for show.

FWIW, Pence should never have had documents either. [/quote]

So what you’re saying is that you can’t provide that cite.[/quote]

I honestly don’t know what you are looking for[/quote]

A citation to the statute that makes it a crime for a senator to inadvertently retain classified information.[/quote]
There’s no such thing as inadvertent retention for a senator because the classified information should never have left the SCIF in the first place. [/quote]

How do you know these documents were taken out of a SCIF?  Senators can and often do see classified documents outside of SCiFs.  In any case, thanks for your admission that there is no statute that makes inadvertent retention a crime.  Willful retention is a crime, but we will have to await the results of the investigation to see if there is evidence that this was willful.[/quote]

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