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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Horrific. I hope he pays dearly for this and faces jailtime.  Cant stand how he's tried to make himself into a victim in all of this as well, taking attention away from the woman he killed.[/quote]

Ooh, careful! You'll get reported for wrongthink. https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1010902.page[/quote]

Wow, that is crazy.  People arent allowed to talk bad about Alec Baldwin now, lol?  This place just gets stranger all the time. [/quote]

I’m the person that reported that other poster.  To be clear, I can’t stand Alec Baldwin (as a person—some of his acting jobs were quite good).  [b]But there was one poster that just get repeating that the person who pulls the trigger bears the responsibility, which was very simplistic and very repetitive. [/b]
Personally I don’t think there’s any grounds to criminal charge him.  My guess is that there will be no criminal charges for anyone, unless they have some witness showing who brought the live rounds on set and put them in the gun or box.  Personally I think the armorers story that she couldn’t tell the difference between a live round and a blank when she loaded the guns sounds like she didn’t know what she was doing and wasn’t competent for the job.  [/quote]
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It is not just one person posting that, it's anyone that understands gun safety.  Any person holding a gun, pointing it at someone, and pulling the trigger is the person responsible. "Someone else told me it was not loaded" is not a defense[/b].[/quote]

DP and not the one to whom you're responding. What that PP who reported posts doesn't say is that the many posts repeatedly saying "any person holding a gun...etc." are not at all correct in terms of how firearms and firearms handling and responsibility [i]works on a film or television set[/i].

I posted much earlier about this but some posters here just do not care about the actual and factual context of THIS specific incident.

You and other posters keep saying "the one with the gun is the one responsible, criminal charges, etc." are acting as if this were a shooting at a range, or on the street, or anywhere but where it actually was: On a film set, following protocols used on films and television sets forever. The AD even said aloud that the gun was cold --which is the correct procedure when handing off a firearm to an actor. Were there massive, horrible, unforgiveable errors made? Absolutely. Should someone be charged with something? Very probably and quite likely. It should be the assistant director, who had no business touching the gun, and the armorer.

If you can bother yourself to learn how firearms work in productions, read this excellent article:
https://variety.com/2021/film/news/rust-halyna-hutchins-alec-baldwin-propmasters-armorers-1235096221/

The article explains why actors are not [i]supposed[/i] to be responsible for the firearms they are handed. This quote by a film industry armorer about how actors and arms work sums it up:

“The reason that Alec Baldwin did not check the firearm is because… he’s not given time to do so. It is an understood that when the firearm is handed to him it is in proper working order. And that is the responsibility of the armorer prop master, whoever is in control of the firearms on set. So all the armchair quarterbacks that are sitting back and saying well, Alec Baldwin is responsible because he didn’t check the gun, that’s not the procedure that’s used on set — so stop with that. Ultimately it is the responsibility of the armorer or prop master or whomever is on set in control and responsible for those firearms being available and made ready for each scene.”[/quote]

Ok, so if an actor has sex with a minor, on a film set, it’s ok? If the casting director told the actor she was 18, he gets a pass? How is it different?[/quote]

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