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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. [b]Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college[/b]. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.[/quote]

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting. [/quote]
The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"[/quote]

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid. [/quote]
If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.[/quote]

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one. [/quote]
No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.[/quote]They might do showcases by  grade, don't know. You should stump for showcase by grade then if this is your central concern. I don't care about showcases as colleges are scouting specific players that they have already been following and not evaluating the entire team.[/quote]
Wont happen if parents understand why younger than the eligibility window should play with their grade is important.

Just so people understand. The pp pulled his mask off for a couple of seconds. He wants GY showcases paid for by you that clubs can play down their favorites that are 1-2 years older than your kid. In this situation how good your kid is wont matter because just like Telent ID invites clubs and coaches will use Showcase attendance as recruitment tools.[/quote]
What club uses Talent ID (and potentially Showcase)  invites as recruitment tools? [/quote]
Ha! Looks like I found another one the littles know it all hasn't experienced yet.

Yes, clubs use Talent ID invites + other events as recruitment tools. FYI there are 2 potentially 3 kinds of Talent IDs. The top level ID is run by US Soccer. The second level ID is by league. The third level ID is everything else. Clubs provide recommendations for US Soccer IDs, Clubs and coaches completely control who get an invite to league IDs. With the IDs they control Clubs and coaches use talent ID invites as a way to steal players from other clubs. Its an alternative to scholorships or maybe bundled with them.

If leagues had GY Showcases there would be something everyone wants and multiple age groups that could be rostered which creates a limited supply. When theres a limited supply coaches and clubs could use Showcases for recruitment or maybe they just put their hand out for the highest bidder. The final score doesnt matter so who cares.

See how it works? This is what you dont want.[/quote]

Great! Sell the leagues on your plan. It isn’t something we can do anything about in this thread. [/quote]
Education is step 1

Proof of concept will happen this fall when rosters with graduation year are published. This is step 2

Step 3 is normalization and standardization for all clubs.[/quote]

Step 3 is never going to happen, if your supposition is true. August players playing a grade below their actual will either be good enough to play up, or just knock off dead wood not good enough from the rosters of their SY year, but grade below, teams. Those kids getting knocked off didn't earn their spot and should move to another club or team b.

The numbers are so small, no one is going to do anything for the tiny number who impacted. It took a decade to fix trapped players for 30% of all kids. [/quote]
What will happen is clubs that are serious about recruitment will play players by grade on their top teams. They wont allow older grade in school players to play down even if they're eligible because it screws over the player when it comes to recruitment and it pisses off correct grade parents because they view the player playing down as unrecruitable and wasting minutes.

So they'll be given 2 options play on the B team with their correct grade. Or play on the B team a grade down and be double screwed for recruiting. This is assuming they're not good enough to make the A team thats their grade in school.

If you had just started as a younger on the correct grade team you would have developed with higher level players and not been in the situation.[/quote]What will happen is that you won't get your way and will get really angry, just like has happened so far.[/quote]
Why would I be angry? I've seen this play out before.

The only thing differnet today is the number of parents looking for / speaking out situations where their kid can be the oldest on the team. It used to be that everyone was looking to play up. The undercurrent of looking to play down didnt exist.[/quote]

Your kid didn’t play back when it was SY. How would you know? I’d ask you to provide any evidence of your assertions but I know it is like asking you for any evidence of anything. Pointless. You never post a link or sources.

You’re angry that your kid is likely to be moved down a level under SY. You’re mad and lashing out. You’ve spent a bunch of money trying to maintain a first team spot for your kid and keep some elusive dream of playing D1 college ball alive and now the writing is on the wall.

It is really not worth it man. It is just a few short years and then they’re adults and none of this matters. [/quote]Based on the previous posts, it seems their DD was very young when the switch to BY occurred so probably played beginner rec ball a year or so before the switch. Rec is always grade oriented so they are just misunderstood how travel worked back then because they just had a ulittle.[/quote]

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