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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][mastodon][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]RTO is BS. I say that as at work we were talking about improving morale.

Now we work from home Tuesday’s and Thursday’s and Friday is unofficially Jeans and Sneakers and long lunch and leave at 3-4pm

The people with no child care, near retirement, long commutes, people with second jobs, lazy people want more WFH to improve morale.

How does that accomplish anything?

The people who work wanted better training, free lunch, better promotion opportunities, greater access sr. Mgt, more meaningful work.

I mean next week Monday a Holiday, Tuesday WFH, Wed in office, Thursday WFH and Friday jeans and sneakers leave early. So more off is better?

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Working from home or wearing jeans doesn't mean you're getting a day off. [/quote]

In fantasy land. Ok so it has been proven WFH do 18 percent less work. They on average work 6 hours a day. And no commute.

So it is sleep in, get kids in bus,  check email at 8-9 while sipping coffee, off to gym, come back, move mouse around, off to supermarket or Starbucks or lunch with GFs, move mouse around, kids off bus, make snacks, check email. Around 8pm one last check email to to make it look like you work 12 hours a day.

Or worse my friends boss has two part time jobs, single mom with kids. Her calendar is booked 6-7 hours a day with her other jobs and kids stuff. She works tops 1-3 hours a week.

WFH is vacation [/quote]

Maybe in your world.  My spouse checks their email when they wake up at 6, take the kids to school by 7:30 and start work and go non-stop till 4/5-8, still checking email before bed.  Breaks for walking the dog and and sometimes picking up a kid from school but that's 10 minutes.  Plus, work on weekends.  If they go into the office, with commute, they do 8 hours, sometimes 9.  Commute is 90 minutes each way.  So, the lost productivity is because of the commute (though they often are on calls on the commute too).[/quote]

You prove my point. Checking email is not work. That is goofing off. Walking dog, picking up kids. Once again out of touch. Real Work should be 8am to 630 pm in office five days a week with lunch at desk minutes on good days. [b]That is Goldman, Chase, big law, big 4.[/b] When I worked in person at a major investment bank [b]I hit 50 hours on Thursday and I still have to do a vacation Day of wanted off Friday[/b].

Back in 2002 huge project I was in office physically 3,000 hours. In 2021 I wfh around 700-800 hours [/quote]

Great! Let’s pay feds equivalent to these employers if we’re going to expect similar work hours.

It’s insane to me whenever anyone cites private sector work expectations without being honest about the pay differential. I make 140k as a gov attorney which is a fraction of what my big law friends make. I made that choice for the work life balance. I don’t want to work 50 hour weeks and be chained to a desk, and certainly wouldn’t do so for $140k in today’s economy.[/quote]

I also joined the government partially for work life balance. For the first 15 years of my federal career I was in the office around 4 days a week, now they’re asking me to come back 2-3 days. Still just 40 hours a week for my GS14 salary. I understand it’s not ideal but all of the people in the past 80 pages of threads saying everyone would leave and this is intolerable sound kind of crazy to me. It’s still a good deal with work life balance.[/quote]

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