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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that? [/quote]

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.[/quote]

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

[b]Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?[/b][/quote]

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?[/quote]

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. [b]Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. [/b]When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory. [/quote]

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.
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You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop. [/quote]

That happens like maybe once for every 200 calls. You were just lucky that the next stop had someone ready to take the crazy out.
Most subway stations don't have that. In fact, I've seen people jump the turnstiles right in front of cops. The cops don't do anything because that is not their assignment. 
It's stupid.
The underground crawls vermin of all species.[/quote]

Wasn’t luck. Metro was contacted obviously by the 911 dispatcher to stop the train and leave the doors open so people could alight until transit police and police arrived on scene and apprehended the man who was still on the train. [b]Whole operation took less than 10 minutes just like any other normal police call.[/b][/quote]

10 minutes, huh?
How long do you think it took for Neely to break that woman's nose and orbital bone?  I bet it was less than 10 minutes.[/quote]

Yeah well like I’ve said now multiple times someone should’ve calmly texted 911 to alert authorities that a person was threatening people at random instead of sitting there like idiots for 10 minutes and what did you suggest…”inching away, hoping the doors would open or waiting for a big man to save” them while a lunatic broke someone’s nose.

Well at this point I’m preaching to other readers. I can no longer hope for the mentally dull to understand difficult subjects like when it’s appropriate to text 911 [/quote]

I ride the NYC subway 4-5 times a week. There’s not always cell service that allows you to text when you’re in a tunnel. Even if there is, there are often 2+ minutes between stops. So even if everything works perfectly, the cops are waiting on the next platform (which is not really typical - maybe if everything goes exactly right, but I would not expect this), and the person is removed from the train there, the whole car still has to sit with the deranged individual until the train arrives at the next station. This can be really terrifying, and it’s plenty of time to harm others if that’s what they want to do. It takes seconds.[/quote]
Exactly. Even civil rights attorney Leo Terrell says Penny should never have been arrested, yet blm is on the scene inciting violence.

Signs say “NYPD = KKK”

Imagine that.[/quote]

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