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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My mother lived in a refugee camp for her first 5+ years.  When it was clear her home country was not stabilized/safe, she was properly processed with her family into the US for which we are ever grateful. [b] I am not sure why people think the situation in Syria cannot be turned around and people go home to their farms and businesses[/b].  [b]Camps can be orderly, well run places with grocery stores, community events, schools, etc[/b]. Is it ideal? No. Should it be permanent like the Burmese in Thailand? No. But most of these people are economic refugees, much like the illegal immigrants who come to the US for economic purposes.  Pakistanis, Afghans, etc. unless they are fleeing a specific threat--ie they are from a minority religious group being targeted--should stay and invest in the countries. People from true conflict zones should be in protected no-fly camps until they can return home and rebuild.  The true travesty is that the refugee camps for Syrians appear to be far safer/more stable than the UN "protected' camps in Africa. Why not opening homes to South Sudanese etc? 
The solution is not open borders. It is safe haven camps that are truly protected, and political and economic and military investment in stabilizing the regions so people can return home to their cultures, communities and livlihoods.[/quote]
Do you think the Syrian refugee camps are like this?  They are not.  Plus, they don't see the Syrian conflict getting resolved anytime soon.  All you have to do is read the news.  You cannot be this naive.  ISIS is all over Syria.

There are UN soldiers who have raped women and children in refugee camps.  Those camps are not safe.  You are very naive.

So, you think they should wait it out in the camps?  If I were in their shoes, especially with young kids, I wouldn't wait it out.  I would want a chance for my kids.

Your mother lived in a refugee camp and then immigrated to the US, but you are saying these people shouldn't be able to immigrate like your mother did.  Why not?  [/quote]

No, they shouldn't. She was in a camp for FIVE years and her parents always LONGED to go back. Their lives were utter crap in the US - hard work, died young. Some.of the second generation did better - some flailed and failed (do you know the toxic behaviors in the east coast ghettos in which they lived? Alcoholism. Abject poverty. Abuse. The camps should have far better support in both Syria and south Sudan, rather than your rose colored glasses of open the doors to a 1st world country without providing long term integration support (a measly one year by volunteers is what people here get) and tackling the issues that caused people to flee [b]because you in your elite NW DC castle think everything is here is perfecto[/b]. Of course as a second generation American I  love this country, and of course I think my family contributed, and I know I myself wouldn't be here had events not transpired as they did. But I'll tell you, had my grandma been able to return to her farm, piano teaching and books instead of life as a cleaning woman in the US cleaning up your grandparents office trash I'm betting she would have been very fulfilled.[/quote]

All you 'do-gooders' need to listen to the above PP. Her posts speak volumes. It's not ABOUT YOU. It's about quality of life for refugees based on what THEY desire. [/quote]
And you think the refugees desire to be fleeing their countries?  You think they would have a great quality of life in a refugee camp?

So, the PP knows that refugee camps are horrible, yet she thinks refugees should still be forced to live there because her mother and grandmother did?

You PP know nothing about me.  We are immigrants. My parents worked menial, back breaking jobs.  I don't see the world through rose colored glasses because I know what it's like to be dirt poor.  My parents didn't speak the language, and us kids were very young. They had a hard life, but you know what, they don't regret coming here *at all* because their lives and our lives here are ultimately better than what our lives would've been from where they left.

That PP's grandparent longed to go back. That's fine for her. \So we shouldn't accept refugees because she thinks their lives here would be utter crap .. compared to what?  A refugee camp?  You have to be kidding.  That PP is a hypocrite for saying it was fine for her parents to be accepted here as refugees, even if it is temporary, but we shouldn't accept others.  HYPOCRITE![/quote]
Forgot to mention... I don't live in NW DC either.  Oh, and I'm actually not a liberal, used to be Republican, and I am a Christian. That must just blow your mind.[/quote]

My grandparents were not immediately accepted--they lived in a camp for many, many years. The camp was well run. The women and children came first after a long time in the camp . The grandfather (male) came after.  They would have all gone back had the opportunity existed. Yes, I think that we should first try to stabilize Syria and its best hope is having a population that abhors ISIS and Assad go back to resettle once that has been resolved. Once people are here, we all know they are not going back.  You keep calling me a hypocrite which I find fascinating because I keep telling you my grandparents did not want to come here. Most true political refugees would much rather live safely in their homeland and would give anything to invest themselves  in it. Which is more cost effective--resettling every refugee in the West with proper vetting and support or no fly zones, proper well run camps and encouraging a home grown solution to the problems they are fleeing. Additionally, can the West absorb every person who wants to come here? How is this picking and choosing fair??[/quote]
I'm very confused.  First you painted a "rosy" picture of a camp.. with shops, and everything; then you stated how horrible it was with diseases, etc... and now you state how well run these camps were.  Regardless, however  "well run" the camp was your grandparents obviously didn't stay there. Why didn't they just stay there until they could go back?  Why did they eventually come into the US if they didn't want to come?

Your grandparents wanted to go back but obviously couldn't so they lived in the camp for 5 yrs and then came here.  How many lived in that camp?  The size of the number of refugees right now coming out of the ME is staggering. It's nothing like the world has ever seen.  Where do you suppose we put all these people in camps?  You sound completely naive here.  Do you watch the news?  The US, Russia and the Syrian gov't are fighting not only each other but ISIS there as well.  It's a freakin mess over there.  You make it sound like the West could just  snap there fingers and make Syria manageable.  You must be taking a page out of the Trump's Foreign Policy playbook - snap my fingers and they'll do what I tell them to do.

You think they all want to live in a camp for years until their homeland is settled?  I'm sure none of them wanted their homes bombed.  Of course people would rather go back home if they could.  Your grandparents didn't want to come here but eventually ended up settling here because they obviously couldn't go back even after five years. So yes, you are hypocrite for saying that we shouldn't let refugees in here even though your grandparents were let in eventually, regardless of the fact they wanted to stay in the US or not.  
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