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But have you read the Bible lately?[b] It's no secret that women are second-class citizens among evangelical Christians too. They're supposed to pop out babies, please their husbands sexually, and shut up -- accept with grace their lack of economic independence and reproductive rights. [/b]Another tension between Trump's base and Pence's base here. [/quote]

Go to Saudi Arabia and some other Muslim countries and you will find the same mindset.

In Saudi, women are not allowed to drive either so they are totally dependent on male members of the family.[/quote]

Have you been to Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia? Lots of women driving, voting, and working. Not all Muslims are the same. You can begin with the difference between Sunni and Shia and go from there. [/quote]

Been to all of those countries multiple times and even spent considerable periods of time there - and many others. Yes, all of those activities are done by women but - let us not pretend - that they are not all male dominated societies. Both Shia and Sunni societies - in most Muslim  countries - are usually male dominated to varying levels. And before anyone suggests that the same is true in the US, there is no comparison.[/quote]
In some ways you are correct. But, Pakistan has had a female PM - a democratically elected one at that.  The US, with all it's talk of gender equality, has never had a female POTUS.  Even South Korea, a very misogynistic culture, has a female president.

I think like most religions and cultures, the mostly uneducated subgroup of the culture or religion tends to subjugate women more, including those of the West.  Most of the Muslim countries have a huge poor and uneducated population.  What is the US' excuse?[/quote]

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