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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Still no answer on what's been "taken away?"

So loud and vocal one minute, yet complete silence now...[/quote]

Let’s see.  Here are some things that I believe we are losing:

1.  Tolerance on college campuses.  In the name of “diversity,” colleges now have “safe spaces” for people to go to “relax” and “express their ideas.”  But, of course, those spaces are only safe if you hold the same liberal views that colleges teach.  Conservative speakers are rarely invited to college campuses.

2.  Tolerance for people who hold different views.  If one believes in traditional marriage or gender specific locker rooms, they are dismissed as homophobic or bigoted.

3.  Religious tolerance.  If a baker chooses not to make a cake or cupcakes for a gay wedding on religious grounds, that baker is sued and is in danger of losing his/her livelihood.

4.  The concept that all people should be respected and not all points of view should be respected.  Self-explanatory.

5.  The concept that the best person for the job should be the one hired.  Due to affirmative action, the strongest candidate for a job may very well NOT be the one that is hired.  [/quote]

1.) What, we should be tolerant of bigotry?  As for this notion of liberal colleges, sorry but there's no such thing as "liberal calculus" or "liberal physics" or "liberal organic chemistry."  But as to why conservatives don't get invited to colleges, perhaps it's because they want to tell us factually invalid things like "climate change is a hoax."

2.) I can't think of any particularly valid reason why we should be tolerant of bigotry and discrimination.

3.) Sorry but there is absolutely nothing in the Bible or in any religious teachings that says you can't or shouldn't bake cakes or cupcakes for gay people.  Stop twisting religion as cover for your bigotry.

4.) Why should all points of view be respected?  It's established, independently verifiable and scientifically sound fact that the earth is not flat and that it's more than 6000 years old and that man did not live with dinosaurs.  Facts trump opinions.  And sorry but scientific facts also trump old fairy tales written in religious books.

5.) Presupposes that somewhere there are these vast hordes of poor abused white job applicants who all got cheated out of jobs by minorities.[/quote]

You have just demonstrated #2 above in your response - intolerance for people with opposing views.

And, I said that not all points of views should be respected.  Check your comprehension.  All PEOPLE should be respected.

PP asked what we are losing in the name of diversity.  I have listed some of those things.  Whether you agree or not is another issue. 
And, as for #5 - it is a real issue.  My DH lost out on a position because he is a white male.  That was the ONLY reason.  His qualifications were head and shoulders above other applicants, but because he was white and male he didn’t get the position.  They were looking for “diversity.”  [/quote]

With regard to #2 I never said I was tolerant of other people's views.  Why should I be tolerant or respectful toward someone who is being abusive and intolerant toward someone for no reason other than race, gender or other aspects of mere circumstance or birth condition?  What gives someone the right to judge others on their condition by mere fact that they were born in America, as white, Christian, and better-off financially?

I call BS on #5.  How does your DH know for a fact that his qualifications were head and shoulders above all of the other candidates?  How would he be privy to confidential HR decisionmaking?  Did he see their resumes?  Was he present for their interviews?  I doubt it.  How could he possibly know for a fact that they weren't qualified?  More likely he's making assumptions, because nobody hires unqualified people based solely on diversity.  [/quote]

Believe me.... he knew.  Especially when a “score sheet” is used.  When a person of color, or a woman, interviewed, that person automatically got 10 points.  White male?  Nada. 
Do you not think that people on interview panels talk?  
And, I didn’t say the others were not qualified.  They may have been.  But, my DH’s qualifications were stronger.  
And, having served on interview panels myself, I have seen it happen.  
It is a real issue, whether you believe it or not.  [/quote]

I still call bullshit, because I've been on both ends - I've done a ton of hiring and I've been through processes myself where there were extra points given for certain categories.  
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