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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I find the rabid anti-Catholic ex-Catholic's adherence to a sort of neo-tribalism most interesting.  In tribal societies, each member in a sense takes on the wrongs inflicted upon or inflicted by another member of the tribe and takes on the blame or the right for vengeance.

RACEC believes similarly that each and every Catholic is guilty and responsible for the crimes of the few of their co-religionists.  The primal nature of his/her point of view unfiltered by where we are as a civilization in the US and many other countries where notions like collective punishment are rejected speaks of deep personal pain or dysfunction that has caused her/him to revert to a more primitive way of thinking.[/quote]

So now, to deflect, you're bringing up a sociological component.

Have you ever witnessed an assault?  I've seen plenty in schools where kids and adults stand around and allow the assailant to brutally attack the victim.  Yet, according to you, the onlookers are innocent.

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How many of these acts of pedophilia had onlookers? [/quote]

Try to stop being stupid for a moment.

But let be proactive and simplify in case your brain is too small to process too much information.

Let's say you belonged to St. John the Evangelist in Berbertown, MA.  Your son, Michael, is friends with another little boy, Jimmy. They attend Sunday school together.  You know the family but you're not that close.  It's January, and you find out that your parish priest, Father Phil, has suddenly been transferred to another parish.  Eventually, you see that he's made the news b/c he molested several children at your church.  Jimmy, you discover, is one victim.

So while you weren't necessarily an "onlooker," you now know of the situation.  You try to comfort the parents even though you're in shock.  But yet you STILL return to church, week after week.  well, b/c it didn't happen to YOUR kid

same as being an onlooker, I'd say

And I think many others would agree.[/quote]

I have a better example.  Let's say you were born and raised in Montgomery County, MD.  Let's say you went to Catholic church and private Catholic school your entire life, as did your siblings and most of your friends (obviously, because they were your friends from school, CYO basketball, etc.).  Let's say that, to your knowledge, none of them had ever been sexually assaulted by a priest or even personally knew someone that had been sexually assaulted by a priest.  Then say that something bad happened in other places among people you have never met or known and [b]then some psycho on the internet claims you and everyone you know are therefore evil[/b].  But that person only targets your group, and never applies the same reasoning to any of the countless other groups have that experienced the same problems (e.g., camps, public schools, boy scouts, non-Catholic religious organizations, basically any type of social, human community).  What would you think about that person?  [/quote]

Let's say that person isn't a psycho and is not making  said claims, but instead repeats already known facts.  Let's say the facts are repulsive and widespread and many people leave the church because they are disgusted by it and the church continues to protect some of the worse perpetrators while other groups that have done some horrible things do not protect the criminals in their midst or say "everyone does it, why pick on us?" while they continue to monetarily support the institution that perpetrated and covered up the criminal behavior and continues to protect those invovled.[/quote]

Care to provide any evidence about the "worst perpetrators" that are still being protected?

Also, I assume you think that Penn State needs to shut down.  And Horace Mann (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/vics-perps-cited-horace-mann-sex-abuse-scandal-article-1.1424153).  And Yeshiva High (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/nyregion/abuse-victims-at-yeshiva-high-seek-to-reinstate-suit-over-schools-cover-up.html), or basically all of Judaism, I guess?

And those examples came from a 0.2 minute google search.  If you ran a few google searches, you would be quickly disabused of your theory that that this is some sort of special Catholic problem and that anyone that remains Catholic is thus automatically evil.  But you like being nasty and feeling self-righteous, so of course you won't bother to do any research or try to justify your double-standards.  [/quote]

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