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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]But again, please tell me how any of this means that my little 90 year old Italian grandmother in New Jersey who takes over an hour every day to get to morning mass with her walker, down the same street she has walked since she was a little girl, needs to leave the church inmediately. Or is complicit with this. Or any of the billion plus Catholics around the world that have nothing to do with it.

And again explain to me, since it was admitted above that schools have covered up abuse (and no one wanted to answer why there is no fury against Jewish community in NYC with the same type of crime), why you all haven't pulled your children out of public schools in protest?
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So you're bringing out the Italian, eh?  OK - it's certainly a way to level the playing field on this post, as I'm first gen.

Anyway, you're using extremes, sister.  My Italian family members in Italy - the "younger" generation - don't attend church.  my elderly aunts and uncles?  sure!  My mother, however, who's almost 80, left the church b/c of the scandal.  Yes, she believes in God and Jesus and has had family members who were priests and nuns. But she's done - choosing instead to worship quietly.  She's rare, however.  I recognize that.  But she said to me, after looking at my kids, "How can anyone trust a church that  protected animals over innocent children?" (She actually used bestie.)

She'll be 80 in 2016.

the Jewish community? I won't be speaking for the Jews, as I don't know enough about their situation.  although I do have non-religious Jewish friends who are disgusted by the child rape cases in certain communities

And you actually hurt your point by bringing up the Jews.  Insular communities are dysfunctional.  When you live among others who share outdated beliefs, when you live your lives by rules written ages ago and when you SHUN others who don't think as you do, you become unhealthy.  sick in the head

BTW - Have you been to the Vatican?  I have.  Do you honestly think any religious institution should be THAT elaborate?

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