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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Morals and values don't come from religion.  They come from empathy.  The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.[/quote]

I have Aspergers and therefore little empathy.  I do, however, have morals and values that come from my faith.  [/quote]

And without your faith, you'd have no morals and values?[/quote]

Correct. I don't have the human self-awareness and empathy you referenced. I need "rules". [/quote]

Does it have to be religious rules?  How about societal rules, like do not kill, do not cheat, do not dump your garbage in the street, do not go 60 in a 30 mph zone?[/quote]

How about the secular rules under Stalin, Pol Pot or Mao? Because that worked so well.[/quote]

[b]They were't secular rules[/b] -- they were totalitarian rules.  The US has secular rules, which overall, have worked out much better than religious or  totalitarian rules[/quote]

Yikes. Totalitarianism is compatible with both secular (communist Russia) and religious (Iran, ISIS) regimes.

It's perfectly possible to be both secular AND totalitarian rules.

Unless you can point us to religious bases for Pol Pot, Stalin and company.

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it is the totalitarian rules, in a secular or religious state, that cause the problems. England has a state church - the Church of England - but other religions are allowed exist. 
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You said they weren't secular. Bolded it for you. They are secular.[/quote]

For somebody who keeps saying he's so much smarter than all the people of faith here, that was a pretty embarrassing slip on a middle school concept.[/quote]

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