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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think the discussion of "morality" has gone way off base.  You don't need religion to have moral reason. Why would you?

If a child is running a fever of 102 and vomiting - you know they are sick don't you?  You can quickly discern healthy from unhealthy no matter what religion you are?

In the same manner, you can distinguish healthy from unhealthy actions.  How would the tribe survive if killing the members indiscriminately was okay?  How would the tribe survive if they couldn't trust each other to tell the truth about things like dangerous animals or places? How could the tribe survive if stealing resources from each other was the rule?  It wouldn't survive so you wouldn't be here.  The successful tribes are the ones that evolved successful moral values among themselves.

If in later times it was helpful to codify those values into some tale about stone tablets, well - fine.  History is full of stories told to explain evolutionary events to the uneducated and gullible.[/quote]

If my husband is hurting me, and I am 100% sure I can kill him without getting caught, then "healthy" reasoning would tell me to kill him while "moral" would tell me not to.  That is a fundamental difference.  moral reasoning sometimes tells you to do things that actually are not in your own best interest, and sometimes not in anybodies best interest, but that most people would agree are somehow "good".[/quote]

Why would "moral" tell you not to?  What is moral about letting someone hurt you?[/quote]

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