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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele]Separate from the discussion of the killing in Paris -- and maybe this needs its own thread -- but is anyone bothered by how Muslims are portrayed in the cartoons? I emphasize that no matter how distasteful I might find the drawings, the magazine still has the right to publish them and there is absolutely no justification for the killings. But, that said, the drawings I've seen emphasize Semitic features such as long noses, etc. If these drawing were depicting Jews, I am fairly certain they would be criticized as anti-Semitic. In that case, I don't think we would be seeing such strong defenses of freedom of expression as we are now seeing. I suggest that we might want to distinguish between the artists -- whose rights we support -- and the art -- which I personally am not sure I want to defend.
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Jeff, you don't know much about CH. they did plenty of cartoons on Jews, as well as on catholic priests, the pope and so on.  I am too dumb to be able to post images, otherwise I will post a few samples, but you can find them by yourself. maybe because I am from Europe I have a different sensiblity on satirical cartoons, but I certainly don'd find CH racist.  [/quote]

You are right. I never even heard of the publication until today. Doing some Googling, I see they do treat Jews the same way. Does everyone feel comfortable defending this and similar images:

[img]http://www.medialibre.eu/cms/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/charlie_hebdo_shoah_hebdo1.agchbtbki00g00gk88s80skw.brydu4hw7fso0k00sowcc8ko4.th.jpeg[/img]

Perhaps a French-speaker can comment, but according to the page on which I found this picture, the cover is parodying the Holocaust.
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Jeff, you keep looking at single cartoons but this  satirical magazine  has been published in France weekly for years, you should read at least various issues to have an idea of the work and get a sense of what this magazine was (I say was because most of the cartoonists have been killed).  also, and this is important, this is a French magazine and it is published for the French public. it is not published in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or even the United States.    about this cartoon, I exchanged e-mails with a friend this morning, he is French and jewish, with family members killed during the Holocaust.  he knew CH very well , as anybody in France, and likes it and  was shocked and heartbroken and wrote how much he admired the courage of these journalists.  look at what is going on in France today, with people gathering in the streets all over France. do you really believe that they are all a bunch of racists defending an antisemitic publications?

these people were killed not because they disrepected Islam, but because with their pencils they ridiculed radical Islamists (or whatever you want to call them) and showed that they were not afraid and did not bow before their threats.  this massacre was done not only to silence them but also to teach everybody else a lesson.  think what you want but better watch what you write or we will come for you   [/quote]

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