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Those values were also taught in other religions and cultures no Jesus involved -- they are basic human values that don't require a god.

As for the apostles martyrdom -- those are stories without basis in fact. [/quote]

I beg to differ. They are basic human values precisely because there IS a God. Do animals act altruistically? No, they do not. Humans were created in the image of God and given a conscience and moral responsibility. And the sad fact is that most people do not treat their fellow humans in this way. Go to Wal-Mart on the day after Thanksgiving if you doubt this.[/quote]

God talks to different people at different times in different ways. But the message - the golden rule - is the same every time.

You need to understand what scientists and others mean by "basic human value."  Since you keep bringing up science, you should know that scientists are trying to locate an altruism gene, aka the golden rule. Lots of people apparently don't have this altruism gene. Therefore, altruism is not necessarily a "basic human value" in the sense that it has a biological root. Instead, it's a social construct. A construct many of us believe was given by God.[/quote]

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