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I did say exactly that. I said Islam does not promote equality (not in western sense); it promotes justice. But you need to understand that practicing muslims here live in a completely different mindset. The poster arguing with us said abstaining from fornication and adultery were oppressive to her. This was quite stunning for me to read, as a Muslim woman. It goes so against our way of thinking and I can not fathom abstinence as oppressive. I live a different life so my views are completely different. In the same way that poster thinks abstinence is oppressive, she perceives the absence of linear rights between men and women as inequality. We have a totally different perspective and for us to say our religion oppresses us with unequal rights would be to utter a misleading statement.[/quote]
Here you are, twisting things again.  I didn't say abstaining from fornication and adultery were oppressive (although to me, yes, life without fornication ain't worth livin').  I said - and I am happy to repeat - that it is oppressive to demand that only from women while providing no scriptural evidence it was required of men.  If you continue to claim that men were asked to comply with the same rules, provide evidence.[/quote]

I did. You were just looking for the linear equality again. You read the oath for women and now you need to see precisely the same words in the same oath for men in precisely the same circumstance. The prohibition for fornication is well established in Islam for both men & women. The punishment for either is flogging. This is in the Quran. That particular oath with its requirement to abstain from fornication and other things were spelled out for women because there was a new dilemma, a flood of women were migrating from Mecca to Medina without husbands, but apparently some with illegitimate children. Fornication pre Islam was common. Allah commanded the Prophet administer the oath for these women and admit them into his tribe. So...new situation, and, therefore, new verse revealed explaining how to handle it. Fornicating men were not asked this question for the obvious reason that there was no way to determine a man's paternity if fornication was commonplace. But for you to suggest men could fornicate but women could not makes no sense. Even today, men in Muslim countries are punished for fornication.

It is not worth rehashing this. Please...if you do not agree, simply leave it as that.

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I'll leave it when I'm good and ready.

You continue to ignore the fact that this verse is forward-looking. Women weren't asked to swear that they didn't have illegitimate children (your presumption seems to be that most did).  They were asked not to do it IN THE FUTURE.  That same thing could have been easily asked of men - for the future. The promise did not look to the past. It applied to future behavior.

Additionally, fornication doesn't always result in children, don't you know.

I didn't say men could fornicate but women couldn't. I said that there is no Quranic evidence that men were asked not to steal, lie, fornicate or father illegitimate children as a condition of pledging alliance - as women have been. [/quote]

I have not ignored that. I'm debating what value it has to explain it to you. You do not seem interested in truth. Lets let CAIR and the media outlets that are reviewing these threads now to determine how to handle this. If you wish to keep spouting misleading information, be my guest. It provides them with valuable information.[/quote]

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