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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]People don't have to sell the cards - they can resell the items they buy and in fact it happens all the time on Craigslist and elsewhere.[/quote]

So basically the only program that would satisfy a republican is a lunch counter where you eat and then leave, fully supervised the whole time.  Because if you give something to a person, they might resell it.

Fabulous.[/quote]

If they are reselling it, that suggests they didn't really need it and probably shouldn't be getting it.  If you don't like my opinion or attitude, fix the problems.  I'll be happy to change my mind when the situation changes, but until then if you are excusing or defending it then you're part of the problem.[/quote]

So as long as you can ever find a case of fraud, you object to government programs to help the poor.  I suppose you won't drive a car until someone makes one that causes zero deaths.[/quote]

One or two individuals committing fraud here and there is one thing but the article above talking about Baltimore indicated that 39 businesses were actively participating in welfare fraud as well.   And that's just Baltimore.  To me that indicates a big and widespread fraud problem that is institutionalized.  Again, as long as you are deflecting, minimizing and denying, you are part of the problem.[/quote]

Exactly.

And as known-fraudulent activity, the people doing it are generally not that open to speaking publicly about their fraudulent activities.  So pointing to estimates as hard facts in this case is laughable. The numbers are by their nature on the low end of the reality on the street.

What critics of SNAP object to is not helping the poor.  What we object to most is the fraud and diversion of our hard earned money to those who don't need it, but are taking it anyway. We also object to programs that seem to lack safeguards to prevent fraud and an apparent lack of interest in stopping the fraud that is happening.  The apparent ability to use the cards at ATMs for cash is a huge invitation to fraud and should never have happened.[/quote]

And what others (and now me) are saying is that isn't it interesting that your vehement objections to fraud and waste are reserved for those programs that help the poor. Give the IRS sufficient assets to track tax cheats?  It's the jackbooted foot of oppression on honest Americans. Cut fraud in defense programs?  Why do you hate the troops?  Forget bank bailouts and prosecute the offending executives?  Those industries are essential to our econometric, and god forbid your 401k take a hit while fighting fraud.

At best, you are hypocrites. More likely, though, your fight against fraud is a facade for your true attitude: "They're poor?  Fuck 'em". [/quote]

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