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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Well the point, that others besides me have made very eloquently, including the PP with the clip, is that the FSM is actually a very bad analogy to religious belief. I just posted the piece above on the Trinity, so I won't repeat the arguments someone else made just a page ago on why the FSM is such a bad analogy, but perhaps you need to review this thread.[/quote]

I'm not sure what arguments you're talking about, because from page 5 through the top of page 8 there's very little eloquence and a lot of sniping, until we get to the 11:10 post with the video, and even there the eloquence was in the video, not the challenge itself.

As far as the Trinity is concerned, if you're going to take your religion on faith (there's a tautology for you!), then you can believe whatever you want to, because if you're going to involve a supernatural, magical element then there's no need to be logically consistent about anything. I'm not going to argue with you about the Trinity, because that's your belief about your religion. It makes no difference to me. As long as it helps you get through life it's fine with me.

As I said above, the FSM mythology was created for one purpose. It isn't intended to be a full service religion because that's not the point. The reason the FSM mythology and Pastafarianism were created was to provide a counterpoint to those who object to the teaching of the Theory of Evolution and who want Creationism/Intelligent Design taught in public school because they believe the Bible provides the literal and inerrant Word of God. The FSM mythology provides a satirical alternate creation construct so that, if someone claims Biblical Creationism should be taught in school, non-believers can use Pastafarianism to make the point that if you teach one set of religious beliefs you have to teach them all.

No one claims that Pastafarianism is a complete religion (except, possibly, Christians with a persecution complex looking for a threat). It is a parody created and propagated by people who, generally, do not believe in deities or, at most, believe in the kind of extra-universal creator that is discussed in the video about what "serious believers" think.

As for the "hammering," I agree with you. We could all do with a little less hammering with regard to anyone's beliefs or religion (or lack thereof).

I think most atheists, agnostics, non-Christians and Pastafarians would agree that what we'd like is a little less emphasis in the US on Christianity in public. If politicians and other public figures would stop trying to enact laws that codify some purported Christian dogma, stop whining about the "War on Christmas", stop claiming that natural disasters are "God's revenge" for our culture of tolerance and, generally, stop proving Ghandi right about Christians*, then we could all get on with our lives, worship (or not) as we choose, and try to make the world a little better place for each other.

We'd also like the fundamentalist Islamics and ultra-orthodox Jews to stop acting like assholes in the name of their respective religions.

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*"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

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