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[quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]
By your reasoning anyone who supported Bush is a hater of muslims, a fascist, a follower. Well, how do you explain then the millions of muslims in the middle east who were just praying that Bush v Gore would be decided in Bush's favor ? None of them could get passed the small , truly meaningless fact the Lieberman was jewish, until they became victims of the war themselves.
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I was right with you until this paragraph. The first part of your message was very interesting and made a lot of sense. But, I am at a loss to see how this paragraph represents my reasoning. Frankly, this paragraph is a bit disjointed from the rest of your message and I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
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Right here in your post, Jeff:
In the run up to the Iraq invasion I participated in a discussion forum and[b] was one of the lone voices speaking against the invasion. On the day Colin Powell gave his presentation, a poster called me out saying, "any questions?"[/b] I replied that I didn't have any questions, but that I expected almost every single fact that Powell had stated would eventually be shown to be false.[b] I proved to be correct about that. However, at the time, the vast majority of people reacted to me the way you guys are. Yeah, I was really funny and my biases were making it difficult to think logically. [/b]

Jeff, perhaps you don't realize how you come across, but you are basically saying that those who supported the Iraqi invasion were dupes, followers, and though you don't call them fascists, you defend your "lone voice" as if it were the last stand of reason against rush to war based on , false statements by our Sec state ( fascism) [/quote]

Obviously I was not the lone voice in the entire world or even the entire country. But, I was essentially the lone voice in that discussion forum. My point is to show that conventional wisdom can coalesce around a falsehood. Time and again we find ourselves in a situation in which "everyone knows" something, yet there are not facts to support what "everyone knows". Can you deny that according to conventional wisdom at the time, Collin Powell had delivered an outstanding and persuasive presentation of the facts? Can you now deny that conventional wisdom was wrong? I am just saying that because "everyone knows" something, you should not immediately accept it as fact.

[quote=Anonymous]You then conflate that with what news sources ( not political figures this time) are revealing about the Tsarnaev brothers and suggest that the info being released about them is similarly " a false rush to judgement" based on some darker motivation, which you say, you, Jeff Steele, warned us about back 10 years ago.

I say apples and oranges. Colin Powel was used and his career is over for it. Doubtful that the BBC, the Independant, CNN, Fox, NBC, Boston Globe, FBI , Russian Intelligence, and the Daily Beast are all simultaneously creating a political smoke screen , and only Jeff knows the truth.[/quote]

None of this is true. Most news sources have actually been pretty careful about describing motivations. I am reacting to specific posts in this forum and the general conventional wisdom that the brothers were motivated by radical Islam and are indistinguishable from the 9/11 attackers, the London Underground bombers, or any other Muslim terrorists. If you believe that there are sufficient facts available to support the conventional wisdom, let's have a discussion of those facts. While I am being accused of grasping at straws, I think those who cherry-pick one or two videos from a Youtube feed while ignoring others are the real straw graspers. But, let's discussion what is known and see where it leads us.

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