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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The point of going to college is not just to take classes. It is the peer group and the academic environment.

Any school with an average SAT below 1500 is probably not really worth 100K COA. If the peer group is not at that level, then what exactly are you paying for?

Conversely, if the state school average above 1500, then yes it's better than going to a private with a lower average.  You want your DC to be surrounded by serious, highly capable students. [/quote]

No state school average was above 1500 when it was test required and none would be now if they were all test required. The highest-scoring public was UVA with a 75Th%ile around 1500. William and Mary had basically the same, but a lower 25th%ile. UCB who knows because of test blind. Michigan and UNC were lower than UVA.

Top SLACS Williams Amherst Swat never had medians of 1500 pre-TO. The schools that did were all the ivies but two (cornell low and Columbia never published because of GS they knew they were lower than others) as well as MIT Hopkins Duke and Vanderbilt. (Chicago always TO).

I agree with you on peer groups, if you have a student above 1500 you want them with similar peers, and if they are 1560+ with a bunch of 5s and A/A+ in high school, they really need to attend the highest scoring peer schools to have decent % of peers that they are on par with. That is how we picked and in fact we ranked them by SAT range as our first applied during test required. The students at these top schools have not really changed except for the schools who swung far toward TO when they used to be one of the highest -ten scoring schools (Vanderbilt--was higher range than two ives and higher than northwestern).

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