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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hmmm, I think it’s less about what’s in your league and more about the amount of effort required. In which case, men are more delulu.

I’m 40 and put in the effort to maintain my appearance, make a solid income, can hold a conversation, have a solid OLD profile, show up looking nice for a date, and am willing to do my share to make a relationship work.

But I see far too many men who put in bare minimum effort yet still feel entitled to sex/a relationship. They look bad, dress badly, put a couple of terrible selfies on their profile with “just ask!” as their bio, don’t want to plan a date, don’t want to travel for a date, hell most of them don’t even want to go on an actual date. They want to look and act gross yet expect women to come to them to give them BJs.

Most of them would do just fine with women if they shaved, bought some nice clothes, and put some effort into dating. [/quote]

No they don't feel entitled to it.  That's what your missing.  You're not paying attention. Since all but the most attractive men are playing a.numbers game,as someone else mentioned, it would not be possible for them to devote the time, energy, or money to any individual prospective date that you seem to feel "entitled" to.  Your response is EXACTLY an indicator of women's unstned sense of entitlement.  You aren't entitled to anything.  If you want to go out on a date with a guy, you are free to plan and pay for it.[/quote]

Yikes, you sound bitter.

It’s not that much time. Hit the gym a few times a week, get some nice clothes, spend 20 minutes on your OLD profile. I do all of these. You and I likely spend around the same amount of time messaging people on apps.

Planning a date takes maybe 15 minutes. I’ll spend 4-5 times that getting ready for it, so it all evens out.

It’s not entitlement. I don’t expect any and all men to bend over backwards for me. But I do expect them to put some effort into talking to me and planning a first date. I’m not interested in low effort men.

The point is that it’s actually pretty easy for men to stand out, because 90% of them put forth almost zero effort.

If the thought of putting in a few minutes of effort is that distasteful, you shouldn’t pursue a relationship. Relationships require time, effort, and sacrifice, far more than casual dating does. If you don’t want to do that, that’s fine, but dating and relationships aren’t for you. You’ll be happier being single. [/quote]

Once again: nothing at all is stopping you from asking a guy out on a date, or a trip, planning for it, and paying for it.  That's what you say you want. A well planned, paid for, actual date.

You just want someone to do the heavy lifting for you and you're not getting what you feel are enough adequate men to accept your terms and conditions.  The fact that it takes you forever just to get ready for a date tells me you are below average in attractiveness. An. averagely or better attractive woman doesn't have to put on makeup like a Level 5 drywall contractor has to mud a rec room. Not wear ridiculously fancy or expensive clothes.  The first date I ever had with my now wife was completely spontaneous.  She was a casual acquaintance in college and I ran into her at random coming back from her part time office job.  I realized how great she looked (I wasn't thinking in terms of out.of my league but she probably was as she was dressed in business casual and I was wearing sweat pants sneakers a T-shirt and a hoody lol). On the total spur of the moment I asked her out right then and there and she said why not . It took her zero time to get ready for our date because there was no time.  She looked fine [/quote]

I wonder how would a woman who organizes dates for a man look like. Probably 200 lbs overweight.  I’m 49, in great shape /20BMI, still pretty face with no wrinkles. I have no problems getting 1-2 quality, really well organized dates every week. It doesn’t need to be super expensive. If you shears invite them to restaurants you lack intelligence and don’t really know your city and cool dating spots. 
 
In fact, your whole post shows how delusional you are- attractive women at any age don’t have shortage of men who are interested in  planning and will pay for the dates. I had 35 yo men taking me out and they always planned and paid [/quote]

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