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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don't get the issue. There are kids at all colleges who need remedial help - even the elite ones. If they're getting the help they need, then what is the problem? Oh, that they took spots from kids who had good math instruction in high school? [/quote]

Because elite college admissions should go to qualified students otherwise these college aren’t elite anymore.[/quote]

Who ever said UCSD was elite? It’s the third best public school in its state.[/quote]

None of which are elite for undergraduate education. There are no elite public schools in any state because they aren't supposed to be elite. They are supposed to train students of their states for jobs like engineering, accounting, teaching, and health sciences. Anyone who believes that there aren't similar students in every state flagship is kidding themselves.[/quote]
+1, this “elite” nonsense id do strange and a new (last 30 years or so) issue. Parents keep on wanting state schools to operate like Harvard- Harvard is Harvard and has its own issues with what  parents consider a rigorous elite education.

State education is that: education for the representative students of a state. While there’s many grandiose ways state schools describe themselves, they’ve always been about broad opportunity and access in conjunction with rigorous, fair academics. You’re not gonna see grade inflation to the same extent at a state school, because they’re designed to have differentiation baked into the system. The issue here isn’t the “eliteness” of the UC system, but the changing standards of the California primary education system.[/quote]

I think the key missing link is that state colleges and universities don’t take “less elite” students as a social justice mission (only) - they take students of all stripes because the goal is to create educated professionals that benefit the state - likely more than the IB bros at Princeton. You know - nurses, teachers, traffic engineers, etc. [/quote]

No offense, but that is the very first item of the UC's college's mission statement.  Social justice and equity are not a byproduct in California, it is the mission.

Our Vision:
The Office of Social Justice Initiatives & Identity Programs advocates for a future where every UC Merced scholar belongs, justice is non-negotiable, and thriving in a multicultural world is not a privilege, but a right.

Our Mission:
The Office of Social Justice Initiatives & Identity Programs is committed to transforming UC Merced into a space where historically underserved scholars not only stay, but thrive. Through intentional programming, intersectional community building, and unapologetic student empowerment, we foster belonging, justice, and liberation for all.

Our Commitment:
Rooted in our commitment to UC Merced’s diverse scholar community, we work to dismantle systemic barriers and reshape university culture through bold advocacy and institutional transformation. We aim to make UC Merced a launchpad for justice-driven leadership and a catalyst for meaningful, sustained social change.

Our Pillars
1. Equity & Justice

We center the experiences of historically underserved scholars and actively challenge systems of oppression to build a campus rooted in equity, justice, and liberation.

2. Belonging & Community

We cultivate spaces of radical belonging and intersectional community where every scholar feels valued, seen, and supported in their full identity.

3. Holistic Development

We empower students through opportunities that support academic, emotional, social, and cultural growth, nurturing the whole scholar.

4. Student Agency & Leadership

We amplify student voice and agency, developing changemakers who lead with purpose, pride, and a commitment to justice.

5. Institutional Transformation

We work to influence campus policies and practices to create lasting, systemic change, positioning UC Merced as a hub for transformative leadership and social justice innovation.

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Well that’s UC Merced for one …

But yes I know that they have statements like this. My overall point though is that higher ed also exists for the benefit of the state overall. I assume that no matter how much of a prestige wh*re one is about “elite colleges,” you also prefer your kid’s teacher to be well trained and your nurse to be competent, and your municipal water treatment system to work. That all requires people with college degrees. [/quote]

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