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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.[/quote]
Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs.  It will get closer to top 25 in a few years. [/quote]
Wak is nowhere near being a top 25
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Dp, but why this again.  [b]When us news decides to eliminate the dei factors it’s used for the last year or two[/b], Wake will likely be back on the T30, just as it was for over 25 straight years.
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But we all know they won't, and since Wake isn't really looking to grow research they'll continue to be punished[/quote]

So will William and Mary, the schools excel based on class size and having full professors teachers.  The research factors are less than 5 percent of score and focus only on overall number of citations.  Schools the size of Wake or William and Mary simply can’t compete with the the large flagships on this criteria, they don’t have the same raw numbers of faculty.

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W&M is certainly trying to grow research now that it's R1. Will obviously never be able to compete with flagships but it can probably catch up to bigger research privates [/quote]

Doubtful, it doesn’t even have a medical school. [/quote]

There are plenty of bigger research schools without a med school. You can still do health related research without one - I imagine the new bioengineering program they're adding will ramp up with that pretty quickly.[/quote]

My student is premed.  She could go to Wake, where she can take classes with medical schools faculty, works in labs with her professors at a school that has well over $300 million in biomedical funding, and shadow her professors at Wake Med.

Or she could go to William and Mary, which has no medical school and a total of $81 million in research funding, nearly all of which is not biomedical.
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Thank you for this wonderful straw man argument that had absolutely nothing to do with the previous comment [/quote]

Not remotely a straw man.  It just shows how superficial your understanding of research is.   William and Mary being R1 had very little value to my family when their total amount of research is still small and there is little in the area of interest to my student.  If my kid was interested in marine science or education, William and Mary would be a better choice for them given its research strength in those area.  For a premed kid, Wake offers significantly better research opportunities in their area of interest.  Unlike total number of citations in scientific journals, these are inquiries families should be considering because they will have a  direct impact on their kid’s academic experience.[/quote]

It's a strawman because I was talking about the US news rankings and you're going on a whole side argument about personal value. Great! But who asked? I'm not a fan of the new ranking weights but Wake has made it pretty clear they aren't going to try to improve on them. https://about.wfu.edu/wake-forest-and-rankings/[/quote]

That web page doesn’t support your statement at all.  It is a great summary of wake’s strengths though.

Nature magazine, the preeminent peer reviewed scientific journal, ranks Wake 143rd for its research efforts and William and Mary 287th.

And like every other university, Wake continues to work on growing its research efforts.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation_Quarter

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[quote]Wake Forest has never made decisions or determined University strategy based on chasing rankings such as those from U.S. News. We do not intend to start now.[/quote] seems pretty point and blank to me.

If you're going to keep deliberately ignoring/misinterpreting what I've said I'm really just wasting my time. I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about the future. And a different future requires many years of planning and thought and strategy. Pulling out current rankings like that somehow undermines that is just you being disingenuous. [/quote]

You suggested that only William and Mary is interested in growing its research efforts.  Wake, like nearly every other university in the country, has been doing that for decades and continues to do so, and is not focused on research for purposes of U.S. News ranking improvement.  I suspect that William and Mary’s increased focus on research also has zilch to do with the U.S. News rankings and instead has more substantive underpinnings.  Your arguments are literally nonsense.[/quote]

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