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[quote=Anonymous]Of course a lot of ivy+ grads do average things. But studies have shown that ivy+ leads to a higher chance of success at the margins compared to those who could have but did not attend such schools. Specifically, top-level graduate and professional(JD, MD) programs and high-end jobs. Part of this is because certain jobs preferentially recruit at ivy+. Part is unknown.
After having a student at an ivy, attending a different ivy, and having a student at a flagship, the environments are quite different and that accounts for a segment of the disparity seen by the studies comparing similar-level students. When peers are almost all 98-99%ile types, the “norm” on campus is that it is common to go to med school or T14 law. Students at these schools see their peers a year or two ahead get in. It is seen as doable and a normal path. Same with getting top summer internships. Yet when you are a student at a flagship it is considered rare and difficult to get into med or law. Everyone works at their pool or the coffee shop or nannies the first two summers. The norms of what is seen as achievable are lower. Consequently even top students who are ivy-caliber often do not think they have a chance at competitive options and do not try. Also, the norm is to repeat calc and many other classes while ivy+ schools the norm is start in as high a level as possible. The transcripts of students in stem at ivy+ and a couple others have sophomores taking what other schools do as juniors. It makes a difference for paid summer stem internships! The sophomores who get them are more likely from top schools, making their resume the next summer stand out even more. The funds at ivy+ are extensive, often leading to more paid resume-building options as early as after freshman year. The advantages of an ivy+ are compounded over time. I have seen it first hand, versus a flagship. It is hard to believe until you see it for yourself with your kids[/quote]

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