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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The process is referred to as the "shaping of the class." See, e.g., Jeff Selingo's Who Gets In and Why.[/quote]
I have also been told by other parents on the advancement committee at my alma matter that, while it is a need-blind institution, it is need blind on the "first pass," that is, during the reading of the app, but perhaps not at later stages. This seems to fit with the back end "shaping" of the class discussed by Selingo.[/quote]

I've got the Selingo book right here.  Can you tell me the page where he says need blind colleges aren't need blind?

[quote]There’s some bad and naive guidance here that may have been true 5 years ago but isn’t how things are working now.

Every former AO will tell you full pay matters a lot now. Even for T20.

The world is different.[/quote]

No they won't, no it isn't, and if it did you would show evidence.[/quote]

Every podcaster and college counselor influencer has said being full pay is an advantage THIS cycle.
Including Mark. And Sam. And Thomas.

Take the blinders off old lady.[/quote]

We calling names now?  That's grownup, that certainly helps your cause.

But thanks for confirming and listing all those podcaster and college counselors you refer to /s.  I guess your tinfoil theory is more important than the concern some poor parent will believe your BS and not apply for financial aid.  Hope that makes you proud![/quote]

If you are poor you should apply for financial aid. No one disputes that. Don’t apply for aid if you know you aren’t getting any.

[b]Our private counselor also suggested not to apply for scholarships where DC is not likely to get them. Including at places like Vanderbilt, WashU or Emory. [/b]If you’re not competitive for HYPSM, you were never going to get those scholarships anyway and applying for them can weaken your RD candidacy (by making it look like you were looking for the best financial offer before accepting). Remember in RD it’s all about optimizing yield /enrollment management. They are trying to determine if you will come if given an offer. If it seems like you would only come if the math works, you’re less likely to get the offer.

Do some 1-on-1 meetings with former T20 AO on this topic.

There are well intended but clueless parents commenting here.[/quote]

Dumbest advice I've ever heard.  If the scholarship matters financially to your family at all, then apply for it.

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You’re responding to me.

We could easily afford tuition, but for first kid (stronger stats/profile) thought , hey a scholarship would be nice (kid was not competitive for HYPSM) applied to all those scholarships in RD. Rejected Vandy/WashU. WL Emory. Rejected Northwestern.

2nd kid, weaker stats and now test optional, more in-school leadership, but no scholarship apps. Maybe more evidence of “wealth “ or proxies in app. 
Admitted Emory and Vandy RD (and Northwestern). 
WL Duke and WashU.

Same private HS.
Try it for yourselves. And see.[/quote]

Your kid is judged against his/her classmates who also applied that year.  THAT is what dictates admissions, not whether you applied for a scholarship.[/quote]

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