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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My wife is Venezuelan. She desperately wants to be able to go back someday—to visit safely, to see family, to recognize her own country again. Right now, that’s not possible. Much of her family is current or former military, and they want exactly what civilians want: freedom from an oppressive regime that destroyed their country from the inside.

She does not like Trump. Let’s get that out of the way. But let’s also stop pretending Venezuela is a Democrat vs. Republican issue. It’s not.

Under Maduro, people were run over by armored vehicles. Protesters were shot. Elections were a farce. The country became a narco-state while ordinary people starved or fled. That reality didn’t change depending on who was in the White House.

And for those suddenly clutching pearls about U.S. involvement—Biden continued dealings with Venezuelan oil despite repeated warnings from human-rights organizations. So please spare us the selective outrage.

China and Iran didn’t embed themselves in Venezuela out of goodwill. They wanted oil, minerals, leverage. Everyone knows this. Acting shocked now is disingenuous.

Here’s what’s missing from most of these takes: the majority of Venezuelans want the regime gone, even if that comes with hard compromises. They understand the cost because they’ve already paid it.

This isn’t about loving Trump.
It’s about wanting Venezuela back.[/quote]

Nobody is disputing this, OP. There are international rules and US constitutional procedures that Trump violated, paving the way for other countries like Russia and China to do what they will to other smaller counties that have resources they want. Also, Trump has no plan of what our role will be in overseeing and funding this regime change. We all want the best for Venezuela’s people but this is not how we should achieve it. In the short term, people are cheering. But there are long term global consequences from what Trump has done.
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The apprehension and arrest of Noriega in ~1989 was challenged in court and determined to be LEGAL. Like Maduro, he had been duly indicted for international drug crimes, was tried, and imprisoned. This is not different.[/quote]

“This is going to make us so much money” and “we’re going to take back the oil and equipment they stole” seems a bit different, genius. [/quote]

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