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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Only on dcum would multiple people pretend they know with certainty there is or isn’t a God or gods. [/quote]

I know with certainly that a pink elephant - or an elephant of any color  - did NOT set the world in motion.  How about you?[/quote]

How do you know that for certain?[/quote]

Because that falls outside the realm of the natural world.

People fabricated “supernatural forces” in their mind as a way to explain unknown things before science. 
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Yes it certainly appears that way - but if you can’t show evidence of a claim, how can you “know with certainty”?[/quote]

How does one “show evidence” of something that doesn’t exist?

Show evidence that we aren’t living in a computer simulation.

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You don’t, you can’t, and that is the point: you should not claim certainty without evidence.  If you do, you give the theists the right to do so as well.  That is what they want most, a level playing field for their illogical position.

In your second sentence you are asking the question of hard solipsism.  Totally different one and not relevant to the god question in any way except as a distraction.  Short answer:  all debates have to start with some presuppositions.  The laws of logic are generally considered the most basic ones.  If we can’t agree on the premise that this is reality we experience, no discussion about the nature of that experience can be had so let’s not even bother.  If someone’s presupposition is that a god exists (which a large percentage of theist arguments do) then also there is no way to have a discussion about it. [/quote]

Claiming that something exists is a lot different than claiming something doesn’t. You can’t prove a negative.

Prove that invisible space monkeys don’t sneak your house at night to hide the scissors.

Prove that the god isn’t an invisible space monkey running a computer simulation.

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Did you even read what you are responding to?[/quote]

I did. It's bunk. Did you read my comment? 
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You could try replying to it with some substance instead of nonsense.  When did I make any of the claims you ask me to prove?  I don’t believe those things, nor do I believe in a god.  I am just not going to claim certainty without evidence, nor will I accept it when theists do that, or when others do.

Claims require evidence.  It’s basic logic.[/quote]

So you are not certain if invisible space monkeys sneak your house at night to hide the scissors - or not? 
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No, I am not certain.  But I also do not believe it.  It’s a preposterous concept, and not worth considering.  Just like a god.

I will tell you this: I don’t make any claim I can’t back up with evidence, because I am not an idiot.[/quote]

So flying spaghetti monsters might exist? 
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If you are asking this question, even facetiously, you have missed so many points.

The question is not whether or not they might exist.  The question is that it is a silly question to consider without evidence, so don’t make a claim either way… unless you are an idiot.

You don’t realize the irony of the point you think you are making.[/quote]

So you would never say with 100% absolute certainty that flying spaghetti monsters don’t exist?

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I would never make any claim about the existence of such.  Stupid and meaningless to do sol. That is the point of the FSM.  You know this.  You are a fricking troll.[/quote]

Do flying spaghetti monsters exist? Are you certain of your answer?

Not hard questions. 
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I do not believe they exist, no.  But I cannot demonstrate that fact so I don’t claim it to be absolutely true. A burden of proof is on someone making a claim.

What is so hard about this to understand that you keep repeating the same question over and over?[/quote]

You were evading a clear answer.

I just wanted you to confirm that you aren’t 100% certain that flying spaghetti monsters don’t exist. 
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Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I make NO CLAIM WHATSOEVER that FSMs do or do not exist.  [/quote]

“ I do not believe they exist, no.  But I cannot demonstrate that fact so I don’t claim it to be absolutely true. ”

So you can’t say you’re 100% certain. 
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I don’t claim to be 100% certain, or any degree certain.  I make no claim regarding their existence whatsoever. Which is what I keep repeating OVER AND OVER AND YOU CAN’T SEEM TO COMPREHEND.

I do not believe they exist because I have seen no evidence of it.  This is a simple concept for most people to understand.[/quote]

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