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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hmmmm. A $120,000 Gender Studies degree or IBEW Local 26?

Easy choice.[/quote]

Except, the kid doing IBEW Local 26 is deciding between that and likely a business or engineering or other practical degree...and anyone getting a Gender Studies degree is not anyone who is likely cut out for IBEW Local 26.[/quote]

I’d hope that potential business and engineering majors would grasp both the threat of AI, and the delta between college debt over 4 years vs. 4 years of decent income.

If you had a 2022 high school graduate would you rather they went to college for engineering, or joined the electrical union? Next year is stacking up to be the worst year for college graduates since COVID. Couple that with the AI headwind and the electrician will be several steps ahead.[/quote]

While I know what you are kind of saying...the reality is that my kid already has an offer in CS for $200k plus bonus and options (and ability to work for the company at the same hourly rate during the school year) at an AI company, while his HS friend is doing an electrician apprenticeship in DC for $52k year.  His friend is a great "hands on" kind of kid who had terrible grades in school and would likely flunk out of college (but was smart enough to realize that college is not for him).

It's a great outcome for his buddy...and perhaps his buddy will have more stable long-term employment...but my kid has zero debt and is fairly optimistic about his own prospects...so maybe I can report back in 10 years how both have fared.

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What a coincidence. A parent with a STEM grad the very same year as the example who already has a unicorn job offer A[b]ND a low paid electrician friend that shares his salary.[/b] Thanks for letting us all know.[/quote]

It's not low-paid...it's what apprentices make to start and he will see raises once he completes his apprenticeship and becomes a fully-certified union electrician (this is his 2nd year BTW).  Obviously, neither he or parents will incur college costs.

Also, they are HS friends...so of course it's the same year.[/quote]

The apprenticeship wage is a percentage of a Journeyman Wireman’s hourly wage. For Local 26 that’s currently $59.50/hr. That equates to $123,760. Year one of the apprenticeship the pay rate is 45% of the Journeyman wage, which is $55,692. Year two it bumps up to 55%, or $68,068. It goes to $80,444 in year three, $92,820 in year four and $105,196 in year five.

This PP definitely went the lazy AI route and got exposed as a fraud.[/quote]

No, again, you’re vastly overstating what most people make. You just have to do a quick google search to get the data. What’s true in one place and one type of work is not true everywhere.[/quote]

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