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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]David Simon (The Corner, the Wire) put forth an thought-provoking point: bad policies aren't the problem in policing, bad police are the problem. [/quote]

Is proactive policing bad policing?

If a person in a car with tinted windows makes an illegal turn at 2:15 a.m., and they get pulled over, what ancillary offenses would you like police to ignore?

Unlicensed operator
Uninsured vehicle
Unregistered vehicle
DUI
Drug possession 
Drug possession with intent to distribute 
Open container 
Warrant for arrest 
Illegal possession of a firearm
Stolen credit cards
Stolen merchandise
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Why isn't an offense for an officer to NOT pull someone over at 4pm for speeding?

Why are the police chasing petty criminals around at 2:15am instead of arresting wage thieves and union busters at noon?

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What makes you think they don’t pull over speeders at 4pm? Spoiler alert, they do.[/quote]

Why should the county arrest someone for trying to run a business? Do you see them arresting 7-Eleven owners because they are open late at night?[/quote]

Can you better explain your point?[/quote]

Selling drugs that should have been legalized long ago shouldn't be a crime. Someone out at 2:15am making a living isn't a crime unless you want to start arresting everyone running a business late at night. [/quote]

Have you ever actually lived in an area with drug problems? I do. Yes, police should be seeking out and arresting them. The crime where I live, including violent crime, is out of control. Last year someone killed a toddler to hide drugs in their body. Twice, I’ve stumbled across young men who OD’d, including at the playground I was taking my kids to. Cannabis is legal here, and I’ve known a couple people with family members who struck pedestrians while driving high.

Even if drugs were legalized, zero reason for people to have a business driving them around. We don’t have businesses randomly driving people cigarettes and alcohol. There are regulations and licensing.

It’s not running a business. It literally ruins people’s lives. [/quote]

If you legalized drugs no one would be killing toddlers to hide drugs. [b]DUI is the problem, not the drugs[/b]. ODs from tainted drugs is due to an underground market that isn't regulated. Legalization would solve these problems. Arresting people for driving around at 2:15am isn't going to solve anything. [/quote]

Exactly! DUI is the problem. How do we find people driving under the influence? By pulling them over when they are doing things like making illegal turns, because that indicates someone is under the influence.

I’m not really sure what fantasy world you live in where we can magically identify people driving under the influence if they can’t be pulled over for behaving like someone driving under the influence. Do you suggest we wait until the hit and kill someone instead?[/quote]

DUI should be addressed before the crime is committed. A public campaign to raise awareness of the issue should be all that's necessary. Going after people driving around at 2:15am seems like it is targeting minorities. [/quote]

Public awareness campaigns have been shown to be the least effective method of reducing DUIs. They have little to no impact.

Evidence based ways shown to have a statistically significant reduction in DUIs:

- Lowering BAC limits
-Highly public, visible sobriety checkpoints where everyone is checked
- Mandatory in-vehicle breathalyzers for convicted offenders 
- Swift fines, license suspension, and vehicle impoundment.

Although, I’m pretty sure you’re a troll. Nobody actually thinks police need to stop pulling over drunk people and instead run an ad campaign. [/quote]

I don't know how you you could prove that those policies actually reduce drunk driving. There are a million studies (not scalable as well) in how to reduce crime that are also impossible to prove because there are so many factors that influence crime.

There has also been a massive cultural shift regarding attitudes towards drunk driving. Not that long ago it was almost the norm to get trashed and then fish tail down the road in your Chevelle.[/quote]

It’s pretty simple to measure, actually. They enact a policy and then measure crash rates and/or death rates in the years following. These policies have been shown to reduce crash rates and death rates significantly.

Interestingly the same holds true for sexual assault and domestic abuse. Awareness campaigns, both aimed at men and women, have little effect. What is most effective is third party intervention, whether a bystander or law enforcement.

Consequences work. Who knew?[/quote]

That's correlation, not necessarily causation.[/quote]

Researchers often look for comparable areas where a particular policy was enacted vs those where it was not enacted. That can help indicate likely causation as opposed to other societal or demographic changes. [/quote]

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