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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So many parents dont investigate. They just assume someone is taking care of that stuff, even more so with rich people. [/quote]

I’ll admit I’m guilty of this.  DD spent a good chunk of her summers from ages 10-18 at a camp that I never saw much beyond the pickup/dropoff point, which looked lovely and very safe.  Last year, she finally took us on a tour of the entire camp and I was shocked at how isolated and remote some of the areas were.  I do think that they had excellent emergency plans in place, but I could also see how things could get dangerous really fast.  [/quote]

I mean, it was a camp for rich/upper middle class girls that has been around for generations. A lot of us go off of word of mouth recs from other parents rather than analyzing camp maps and flood risk data.

But yes the camp deserves to be sued. The wife of the camp owner who died had to be helicoptered out one year because of flood waters.  They certainly knew how dangerous the situation was.[/quote]

But maybe you shouldn’t just use word of mouth when it comes to the safety of your kids. That’s the lesson. [/quote]
I mean these are people who are outsourcing all their kids’ basic needs to other people from the time they’re born. They’re in the habit of choosing the highly-rated help and trusting the reputation[/quote]

Are you a SAHP who never had a babysitter or a child in daycare? Do you home school your child? Most parents in this area do work outside the home these days, and most get childcare solutions by getting references from other parents, checking online reviews and getting background checks for people working in their home.

If you're pulling flood maps and checking the building inspection report of your kids' school, more power to you, but most people don't do this.  [/quote]

Wow, you need to do more research about the places you send your kids to.  This area is known for flooding.[/quote]

NP, most parents are not equipped to make this sort of evaluation and if you put the responsibility on them, more kids will continue to die in situations like this.  The cabins should not have been located so close to the river, and the warning systems were inadequate.[/quote]

Define "so close". What is the distance so that nothing unexpected will ever happen?[/quote]

Exactly.  Who could have expected this to heppen?[/quote]

When you send your kids anywhere, you need to take any and all risks in consideration.
Especially somewhere like that.[/quote]

Who's to say they didn't?  Mathematically speaking, the chance of their kids getting swept away by a 100year flood that particular week was very, very small.  This is different from say a home or landowner that needs to make that calulation over a longer time period- i.e., the chance of that piece of land experiencing a 100 year flood over say, the 30 years you live there is much higher.

But hopefully this serves as a wakeup call for everyone- not only in terms of where it makes sense to locate camps but also emergency/evacuation plans.  My kids haven't attended an overnight camp yet but would I have thought to ask about those before this?  Not sure I would have but I would now.[/quote]

Over 30 years, you have about a 1 in 4 chance of having had a 100 year flood. I assume that means the camp owners were with periodically rebuilding the camp. [/quote]

No, because there hasn't been a flood as bad as this one. The one in the 1930s came close, and did destroy some cabins. But perhaps in part because while the storm came overnight, the flood didn't happen at the camp until midday.

The floods since haven't gotten nearly as high.[/quote]

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