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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hiring manager here.  It matters a lot which courses students choose to take in their CS Dept coursework.

There is a surplus of CS majors who did not take the harder upper-level CS electives and instead ONLY took easier upper-level electives (e.g., web programming, scripting).  Many of those being laid off ormhaving trouble finding work have these skills.

There is a long-term/ongoing shortage of CS majors [b]who took the harder electives [/b](e.g., compilers, OS/kernel internals, assembly, real-time/embedded systems).[/quote]

as a parent to a non-CS engineering kid, this is where being at a top/rigorous school matters: difficult upper level/grad level is the norm there sometimes as sophomores, and advisors know to encourage the students to challenge themselves too. colleges new to CS were a dime a dozen the past few years: those with low-barrier entry have poorly done curricula. It's like JMU engineering vs stanford/MIT/CMU/princeton/penn, even yale has much more rigor than JMU and they are newer to Engineering and CS. The jobs for average and below CS will disappear. Coursework is key, just like high school but the stakes are higher[/quote]

Many good public CS and engineering programs are rigorous, because of ABET. ABET also is the accrediting body for CS.  One need not be at a “top” institution, but PP is correct to look at curricula before choosing a college.  Examples of DMV local public universities with solid CS curricula include at least GMU, VCU, UVa, VT, UMCP, and UMBC. [/quote]

Noooooo. Have you seen the syllabus for stem courses at these schools? UVA calc, physics and chem is taught at a completely different level than VCU. VCU is extremely slow paced and that continues through physics and engineering. My kids took classes for DE there in high school with undergrads and it is very very different. One went to UVA  for math/cs and the other went to an ivy for engineering. [b]UVA and the ivy are similar in rigor [/b]and grad/upper level offerings. VCU is not close to either. We know many professors in stem fields and they warned us but we did not fully see it until ours were in college. VCU covered in one semester what the ivy covered in 4 weeks. They are not at all the same. ABET is a minimum. [/quote]
Completely false.[/quote]

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