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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Christmas is not secular no matter how you spin it.  I’ve never celebrated Christmas nor my kids.   [/quote]

98% of Christmas is secular. Many just ignore the 2%. 
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Christmas isn't secular.  Its a Christian practice and holiday.  I don't understand how you say its secular.[/quote]

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Because in addition to its secular roots and history, many people celebrate it in a non-religious way.  Certainly you get that, right?  For example, there are dozens of popular holiday specials and only one of them mentions Jesus, and thousands of commercials and advertisements, none of which mention Jesus, and many family gatherings which (joyously) occur without mention of Jesus, either tacitly or explicitly.  Tons of non-denominal decorations everywhere...

You definitely understand this, I am certain of it.  Just because you might celebrate it differently, PPs point is that for many people (ok, possibly not 99% but likely the majority, I guess) celebrate it without a religious meaning.[/quote]

What "secular roots and history" are you talking about? The traditions that Christianity co-opted from other sources? Decorating trees would probably not still be a thing (certainly not as widespread as it is) if Christianity hadn't adopted it into Christmas celebrations and spread it as part of the religious holiday. If anything, the roots and history of Christmas are solidly Christian, and have only grown apart from Christianity as people have dropped their religiosity (the growth of the "nones").

I'll grant you that many people who celebrate Christmas today do it without mention of Jesus or any religious aspect and think of their observance as totally secular. But you have to see how people who don't celebrate it at all (as many Jewish posters have noted) can't divorce its history and roots in Christianity from the "secular" aspects of it, right? It's not about people who celebrate it religiously vs. those who celebrate it secularly; it's about people who just don't celebrate it at all.[/quote]

Maybe it's not about people who celebrate it religiously vs. those who celebrate it secularly; but the people who just don't celebrate it at all, do so for religious reasons - They're Jewish and the religious overtones to the holiday are Christian.

How would secular celebrators of Christmas feel about adding Hanukah candles to their festivities?[/quote]

We do have some dreidels that we pull out every year. Kids picked them up at a school event and we enjoy playing with them. We also put chocolate gelt in stockings.

We celebrate Diwali and Chinese New Year as well. 
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I don't think its right to celebrate other holidays as you are saying.  Its disrespectful as are not toys.  [/quote]

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