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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]by saying that there was a division of labor and it was better when moms didn’t work and managed to single-handedly take care of kids needs, is still putting all the responsibility for child care on the women’s shoulder.

As a society, we decide what is important. Given that there is no minimum parental leave, affordable childcare, good before / aftercare options, [b]we have decided as a society that having children is not valued. [/b]The moms lamenting are a result of that. But it’s not the feminists to blame, it’s all of us as a society because these are our values: families and children are not priority for us as a society. It’s that simple.[/quote]

Or maybe it’s the opposite. Consider that the conservative argument is that women should be able to stay home with children and therefore a strong economy with high wages is important.

Compared to a country with lower wages and women returning to work after a year of government paid leave.

I’d argue European countries are less family friendly since through their taxes and lower wages require almost all women to work after having children. [/quote]

Except they get like two years of paid maternity.

Your argument doesn’t hold because the median HHI income in the US is $75k and in Euro countries it’s $64.4k.  Professional jobs in Europe pay absolutely well enough to have only one spouse working if that’s what you want…add in that you don’t have to save for healthcare, childcare, pre-school, college, etc.

So the median US household can’t afford to have a parent not work.[/quote]

I like how everyone throws around “paid maternity”. No one is paying your $150k salary for 2 years in Europe unless you work a very unique job. They get a stipend or small percentage of their salary. I preferred my 12 weeks paid at my full salary. [/quote]

+10000  paid maternity is around $250 a week in London. Yes many have additional benefits like we do from our employers.

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In Denmark you receive full pay for 14 weeks and then both mother and father are able to take 32 weeks each at 80% salary.

In Germany you get full pay for 14 weeks and then after that you receive 65% of salary for another 12-14 months.

I could keep going down the list.  The UK BTW is the one place where you can also earn serious $$$s if you pick a lucrative profession.  The people working in PE, hedge funds, banks, etc. in the UK make as much or more than their US counterparts.[/quote]

Except the co-workers pay for it  along with tax payers there is no free ride. I worked doing same exact job my co-workers did in in Europe and made 100K more plus a lower tax rate.  [/quote]

Well, you have to factor in your health insurance premiums and copays and deductibles as another hidden tax (not to mention how stupid it is for healthcare to be tied to a job), plus the cost of childcare as a hidden tax…plus what you have to save for college, etc.

Yet something still doesn’t really compute.  My company has many European engineers and there is a cost of living adjustment (actually no different than an engineer in SF makes more than one in Des Moines), but the pay isn’t much different for several in Sweden vs the US.

Maybe the secret is to work for a US company in Europe.[/quote]

Hmm, I'm a US mid level engineer making ~$230.  Most jobs I'm seeing in europe (yeah, I'm looking) are around $80k unless you are on an expat contract, which are more rare and hard to get these days.   Pretty hard to make the math work on that trade for me.[/quote]

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