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“Please provide evidence that this is happening on a large/systemic scale - news stories from verified outlets are fine. I have not seen or read about this happening.

I think I’m the PP that you’re posing the hypothetical to and I’m a natural born US citizen from Bethesda. I am quite (I guess you can never be 100%) sure that ICE is not going to round me up randomly at a restaurant because I am “brown looking” and send me to a facility in Louisiana for deportation. Again, there is no evidence that this is happening on a systemic basis or that there are plans to do so. My parents are immigrants (naturalized citizens) with accents and I am not concerned for their safety either.”

Trump has expressed interest in denaturalizing people from 12 brown countries. It seems many will no longer face harassment in their native counties. Tell your parents to start packing. LOL. I’m not a Trumper but I do love Trump supporters getting  FAFOed.[/quote]

While there aren't large-scale numbers of these instances happening, the fact that legitimate citizens and people with legal status are being harrassed, arrested, detained at all (which IS happening) is still massively problematic.

And Trump revoking refugee status doesn't somehow magically erase the very bonafide direct threats that many of these asylees faced back home.[/quote]

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I agree that it’s problematic and that these raids are not being executed well because Trump & Co. are not particularly smart or humane. I agree with others in this thread that the Obama administration was able to identify and deport unauthorized immigrants without this level of chaos and harassment of people with legal status.

But if the policy goal is to remove and deport as many undocumented immigrants as possible (even ones that are not criminals, which I am fine with, which means that they are looking beyond jails), given family and community ties that obviously have nothing to do with legal status or citizenship, there are going to be incidences of say, an American wife and kids being asked for proof of citizenship if ICE comes to deport the undocumented husband. This is different to me than random minorities being stopped on the street and demanded to turn over their passport. I do not think the latter is happening.

With respect to the second point, I have a pro bono immigration practice representing asylum applicants from Afghanistan. I am currently representing a client who literally had to flee the Taliban because he did something that pissed them off, resulting in them coming to arrest him in the middle of the night. In my view, there is a clear difference between someone like that and someone facing poverty and hardship and gang violence in Venezuela. It’s a very sad situation but should not entitle you to asylum, which is a narrowly tailored program for individuals who are being persecuted by their government. And I am fine with such claims being denied or classified as ineligible (and the logical consequence, which is deportation). [/quote]

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