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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I find it really interesting how DC's CogAT scores varied this year (5th grade, new district) vs. the first time (2nd grade, FCPS). Verbal subscore dropped from low 150s to low 130s (~20 points). Quant and Non-Verbal subscores increased from mid 130s to mid 140s (~10 points each). Composite nearly the same.

I haven't really observed any particular growth in their age-normed Quant/Non-Verbal skills nor decline in their age-normed Verbal skills. So I'm guessing this is less a function of their aptitudes in these areas meaningfully shifting in past 3 years, and more likely just the random variation for a given student if you take the one test one day/week/month vs. another. Could be a bit of both, but just knowing DC as well as I do it seems more the latter.

FWIW they also took NNAT and WISC in 2021 (WISC as a backup in case we needed to appeal). NNAT tracked closer to 2021 CogAT on Non-Verbal... WISC Visual-Spatial tracked closer to 2024 CogAT on Non-Verbal. WISC Verbal tracked closed to 2024 CogAT Verbal.

I guess my point is it just seems like these scores all have wider-than-I-expected margins-of-error for a given student (10-to-20 point swings). It seems therefore wise that they don't use it as the sole decision criteria and take things like teacher observations and actual work samples into account.[/quote]

In my sample size of 1 kid, the quant and nonverbal on the second grade COGAT were almost identical to the WISC, however there was a 30 point difference on the verbal (higher on WISC). I believe the exclusive use of pictures on the cogat verbal section did not accurately measure my childs ability for that section. [/quote]

My very advanced reader did not do well on verbal cogat but scored high on other sections and managed to still be 98th percentile. Not sure why it is called verbal when it is all pictures. She managed to be in pool despite average verbal cogat.[/quote][/quote]

Sorry I messed up that last post.  Here is my actual post which I mean to append not embed in the prior post:

Same here. I didn't know it was all pictures, but "verbal" was weakest of the three sub scores @ 124.  VQN = 132 NNAT was high @ 155.  I guess we have to "hope" that DD's HOPE score is good and that NNAT has some weight. Grades have been good but not perfect, and seem to support that quantitative skills are her strength.   She is "in pool" at our middling SES school.
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My child also got VQN of 132. Verbal was only 112.[/quote]

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