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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible.  why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
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The good things were mostly for white males. The goal is to try to make it for all people. And that is where the GOP white male grievance comes in. They cannot fathom sharing the pie.[/quote]

Especially when they didn’t deserve the pie to begin with. [b]If you genuinely believed in the best person for the job or the smartest getting into the Ivies, Dubya and Trump and countless other white males, would be the ones working in slaughterhouses and landscaping [/b][/quote]

What about Bill Clinton?  What about Harry Truman?  What about Barrack Obama?  What about Jimmy Carter? Your post is ignorant.[/quote]

[b]Jesus, you guys really are embarrassingly dumb. No wonder Trump appeals to you.[/b] [/quote]

Explain please - what's so dumb about citing 4 presidents (against your two) that had nothing handed to them?[/quote]

Seriously? I have to further explain the point? The whole point of being a MAGA/right-winger is telling yourself "Affirmative Action" and "DEI" (and all of the other racist buzzwords used to diminish the accomplishments of predominantly non-whites), is how anyone non-white gets ahead. Meanwhile, you have complete idiots handed everything  to them or you simply ignore how dumb they are (like Palin and her 6 years/5 mediocre colleges to get a BA in communications) and pretend they deserve to be president or VP or heading up Fortune 500 companies.

[b]The four presidents mentioned all earned what they have. This isn't about saying NO white males/females deserve to be in positions in power, [/b]it's the audacity on the right to shriek "DEI" when you vote for clowns handed everything and who had no business being accepted to the schools they got into. I don't understand how you people can't see your glaring hypocrisy when it comes to meritocracy.[/quote]

ok, we agree.  But you only mentioned the two didn't to make your earlier point, which was why I asked.[/quote]

My apologies. I should've been clearer. It's just galling to me listening to right-wing hypocrites pretend they care about "the best (wo)man for the job" and then try to tell me people who never had to earn what they have (all of whom are white), deserve what they have. No, Bush never deserved to be at Yale or HBS, so why are they so obsessed with some black kid with a 3.8 getting in, but ignoring the white legacy with the 2.0 (if that)? The instinct of the right-wing to believe anyone non-white got handed their place at a university or on the SC, is why I'm disgusted by them. [/quote]

DP.    First, I completely support the points that you’re making. I do want to generally point out though, that it really doesn’t make sense to compare the standards of Yale today— and some people’s fantasies about what admission to HYP might mean — to Yale in the 1960s, prior to the broader impacts of Civil Rights movements in the US, and prior to the long term impacts of Kingman Brewster’s Yale presidency.

When  Bush attended Yale, it was not viewed as the supposed meritocracy that it is today.  There were definitely some stellar students and faculty, but there were also a lot of reasonably well-rounded students , often from legacy families, and often from feeder prep schools. HBS probably also had a range of students that you wouldn’t see today.  I’m not disagreeing with your points — as much as I’m suggesting that the virtually all-white, all male Yale of the early 1960’s was a very different academic community with very different admissions goals vs the whole “smartest getting into the Ivies” view that some people hold today. Bush did have quite a lot handed to him — and as a white, male, legacy, it worked as it was designed to function.

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