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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yeah, you lost that pro science argument when the left went berserk during covid.[/quote]

Covid killed more than a million Americans including members of my family. You think the status quo was called for during an extreme health crisis like that? Do you disrespect health care workers that much? Wow.[/quote]

The decisions made during COVID by the left were indefensible from both scientific and moral standards. From shutting down the lab leak theory to the unscientific six foot distancing rule, to the closing of outdoor playgrounds and masking of two year olds, the destructive and useless extended school closures, unwillingness to acknowledge that cloth masks were not protective, to the forced admission of COVID positive patients into nursing homes, the mistakes and disregard of science go on and on. [/quote]

The lab leak theory had no evidence to support it at the time.  And just because it did later turn out to be true is nothing more than the broken-clock-is-right-twice-a-day.  Not exactly a victory, nothing to crow about in terms of scientific or moral theories.  What was far worse, far more detrimental and far more indefensible were people like YOU, PP

- the ones like the PP who ran around claiming COVID was a hoax, or that it was somehow being grossly exaggerated.  That dishonest propaganda of yours led to disregard to public health guidance and actually contributed to higher transmission rates, it caused deeper divisions in society and deeper distrust in institutions, and hampered efforts to promote vaccinations and necessary public health measures.  And don't deny it, PP - your post is dripping with it.

- the ones on your side who ran around touting bogus unscientific nonsense about miracle cures, like hodryxychloroquine, ivermectin, colloidal silver and other things, which distracted from effective treatment and prevention strategies, led to dangerous self-medication and misuse of drugs, and promoted a culture of skepticism toward scientific advice and evidence-based medicine

- the ones on your side who ran around claiming getting infected and having natural immunity would be superior to vaccination - a claim unsupported by science, and what resulted is that people did not protect themselves and even worse, in some cases intentionally exposed themselves, leading to what should otherwise been preventable illnesses and deaths.  It undermined vaccination campaigns, and spread disinformation about the nature of immunity and vaccine effectiveness.

- the ones who falsely claimed the vaccines alter DNA, or contain microchips - completely unscientific, immoral garbage, which fueled vaccine hesitancy and slowed vaccination efforts, and prolonged the pandemic due to insufficient herd immunity, while also eroding trust in medical institutions and scientific research

- the ones who spread totally unscientific crap saying "it's being caused by 5G" - completely indefensible, and detrimental because it misdirected public concern away from actual transmission methods, led to vandalism of 5G towers and attacks on telecom workers, and fostered fear and confustion in the public.

The PP does not have a leg to stand on here.  The stuff the PP's side did was far worse than anything the PP wants to whine about.  That's an absolute fact.

People like the PP damaged the science of Medicine: The spread of misinformation undermined trust in healthcare professionals and public health directives. It also diverted resources to counter false claims and treat preventable cases.

People like the PP damaged science: Disinformation eroded public trust in scientific research and expertise. It contributed to a broader culture of skepticism towards scientific consensus and evidence-based practice.

People like the PP damaged society: The proliferation of conspiracy theories and disinformation led to social polarization, increased xenophobia, and a general erosion of trust in institutions and authorities. It also complicated efforts to manage the pandemic through collective action.

People like the PP damaged the economy: Persistent disinformation impacted economic recovery by prolonging the pandemic and necessitating longer periods of restrictive measures, which in turn hurt businesses and employment.

Completely inexcusable.[/quote]

I’m not the PP but agree with her assessment of the anti-scientific lies and policies put forth by the Democrats with respect to Covid.

Why on earth do you think that observing the truth of those lies means she (or anyone else who agrees) is on the side of the Republicans? Your tribalism is a serious issue here. You claim that PP has a side just because PP pointed out anti-scientific policies by Democrats. There is nothing whatsoever in what PP wrote to indicate her political affiliation: she just accurately pointed out anti-scientific positions taken by Democrats in Covid. And in response, instead of a science-based answer, you went on a bizarre attack. There was nothing that PP wrote to justify your unhinged and assumption-filled tirade.

Frankly, you and your anti-scientific tribalists are the problem here. I absolutely agree that the Republicans adopted extremely anti-scientific policies in the pandemic. That’s not my side. But so did the Democrats, and theirs also did enormous harm. You are taking the position that the lies and anti-science coming from your side are excusable just because it’s your side. That’s absolutely ridiculous.

No wonder trust in our institutions is so low. It’s people like you who put tribal loyalty before truth and science. You are the problem here. Your partisanship blinds you to any truths. You’d rather scream about 5G and microchips than engage in looking at hard truths about what your own side did and does. [/quote]

Wow are you seriously trying to gaslight us now by trying to claim that the anti-vaxx wasn't primarily and overwhelmingly MAGA?   Or are you just that far out of touch?  No, it wasn't "my side" doing that, and that's not "tribalism" - it's you being totally and completely full of shit.  Show me mainstream Democrat politicians who were spreading anti-vax nonsense.  The right was rife with them.  The left, not so much.  So don't try gaslighting or bothsidesing this because it's utter and complete BS.

And what about the hard truths of your own side's deliberate and willful spreading of anti-vax and "covid hoax" that your side spread?  The hard truth is that there were probably hundreds of thousands of serious illnesses and deaths that probably could have been avoided.  DEATHS.   How many people died because toddlers couldn't play on playgrounds?  NONE.  Yet you have the gall to try and claim the left was somehow worse?  Seriously?  We may have gotten some things wrong, but at least people didn't die because of it.  How many people died because some mod took down your bullshit COVID conspiracy post?  None.  But people DID die because of YOUR "covid is a hoax" and "the vaccines are more dangerous than covid" lies.  HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS died.   So check yourself.  The audacity of you trying to fingerpoint and bothsides this.  Absolutely outrageous.  SHAME ON YOU.[/quote]

Well, thanks for neatly demonstrating the point that the Democrats can be as anti-science, insane, and blindly tribalist as the Republicans, I guess. The wild-eyed use of YOUR is particularly apt, as I am no Republican, and a strong vax supporter.

I do appreciate you proving my point better than I could. [/quote]

No, it does not at all make your point, in fact you completely missed the point.  It's people like you and your gaslighting and false bothsidesing that are the problem, regardless of whether you (dubiouslly) claim to be a pro science Democrat or not.  If you think there are two sides that are equally bad, or worse yet, if you seriously believe the Democrats are somehow worse, then you have clearly lost all touch on objective reality and it is you who is blind and incapable of rational thought.[/quote]

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