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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yeah, you lost that pro science argument when the left went berserk during covid.[/quote]

Covid killed more than a million Americans including members of my family. You think the status quo was called for during an extreme health crisis like that? Do you disrespect health care workers that much? Wow.[/quote]

The decisions made during COVID by the left were indefensible from both scientific and moral standards. From shutting down the lab leak theory to the unscientific six foot distancing rule, to the closing of outdoor playgrounds and masking of two year olds, the destructive and useless extended school closures, unwillingness to acknowledge that cloth masks were not protective, to the forced admission of COVID positive patients into nursing homes, the mistakes and disregard of science go on and on. [/quote]

The lab leak theory had no evidence to support it at the time.  And just because it did later turn out to be true is nothing more than the broken-clock-is-right-twice-a-day.  Not exactly a victory, nothing to crow about in terms of scientific or moral theories.  What was far worse, far more detrimental and far more indefensible were people like YOU, PP

- the ones like the PP who ran around claiming COVID was a hoax, or that it was somehow being grossly exaggerated.  That dishonest propaganda of yours led to disregard to public health guidance and actually contributed to higher transmission rates, it caused deeper divisions in society and deeper distrust in institutions, and hampered efforts to promote vaccinations and necessary public health measures.  And don't deny it, PP - your post is dripping with it.

- the ones on your side who ran around touting bogus unscientific nonsense about miracle cures, like hodryxychloroquine, ivermectin, colloidal silver and other things, which distracted from effective treatment and prevention strategies, led to dangerous self-medication and misuse of drugs, and promoted a culture of skepticism toward scientific advice and evidence-based medicine

- the ones on your side who ran around claiming getting infected and having natural immunity would be superior to vaccination - a claim unsupported by science, and what resulted is that people did not protect themselves and even worse, in some cases intentionally exposed themselves, leading to what should otherwise been preventable illnesses and deaths.  It undermined vaccination campaigns, and spread disinformation about the nature of immunity and vaccine effectiveness.

- the ones who falsely claimed the vaccines alter DNA, or contain microchips - completely unscientific, immoral garbage, which fueled vaccine hesitancy and slowed vaccination efforts, and prolonged the pandemic due to insufficient herd immunity, while also eroding trust in medical institutions and scientific research

- the ones who spread totally unscientific crap saying "it's being caused by 5G" - completely indefensible, and detrimental because it misdirected public concern away from actual transmission methods, led to vandalism of 5G towers and attacks on telecom workers, and fostered fear and confustion in the public.

The PP does not have a leg to stand on here.  The stuff the PP's side did was far worse than anything the PP wants to whine about.  That's an absolute fact.

People like the PP damaged the science of Medicine: The spread of misinformation undermined trust in healthcare professionals and public health directives. It also diverted resources to counter false claims and treat preventable cases.

People like the PP damaged science: Disinformation eroded public trust in scientific research and expertise. It contributed to a broader culture of skepticism towards scientific consensus and evidence-based practice.

People like the PP damaged society: The proliferation of conspiracy theories and disinformation led to social polarization, increased xenophobia, and a general erosion of trust in institutions and authorities. It also complicated efforts to manage the pandemic through collective action.

People like the PP damaged the economy: Persistent disinformation impacted economic recovery by prolonging the pandemic and necessitating longer periods of restrictive measures, which in turn hurt businesses and employment.

Completely inexcusable.[/quote]

Discussing the lab leak theory was forbidden. It was actively censored. That's not "science." [/quote]

WTF.  There are tons of articles about it.  Just because you keep saying the lie over and over doesn't make it true.  I know that's part of the GOP playbook, but we aren't falling for it.  [/quote]Wait.  Are you pretending that 4 years ago, saying the virus started in a lab wasn't verboten in liberal circles?[/quote]

1. 4 years ago there was no evidence that it was a lab leak.  None, nada, zero.  At that point, you were just making shit up, telling lies and spreading conspiracy theories that had zero evidence to support them.  Just like how you made up all the other shit about COVID.  Turned out that this one thing out of the hundred things you fabricated about COVID turned out to be true.  Still doesn't change the fact that you made it up and were lying about it at the time.

2. What's up with using the word "verboten?"  You do know there are ENGLISH words for this?  But instead you are trying to insinuate some kind of Nazi-esque thing here using "verboten."  What a sick bastard you are.  Stop with the idiotic hyperbole.

3. No, it wasn't even "verboten."  As other posters have pointed out, nobody was ever arrested or prosecuted or faced any kind of serious consequences whatsover, LET ALONE Nazi-esque treatment for spreading dumb, unfounded and stupid conspiracy theories.   Some mods may have taken your comments out to the trash (where they belonged) but that's about it.

In summary:  Knock it the hell off, you just come across like a dumb jerk by constantly posting crap like this.  And if you don't like my strong and frank response, tough.  Many of us are way beyond sick and tired of constantly having to be polite and entertain your idiocy when you absolutely do not treat us in kind by constantly assailing us with your lies and garbage.  You said you like frank and brutal truths - enjoy, because this is it.  [/quote]

You don’t sound rational enough for a reasoned discussion but there have in fact been Congressional hearings and investigations about whether discussion of the lab leak theory was suppressed at the NIH.

https://oversight.house.gov/release/wenstrup-releases-alarming-new-report-on-proximal-origin-authors-nih-suppression-of-the-covid-19-lab-leak-hypothesis/[/quote]

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